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COURSES > 07SP COMP AND READING IN WORLD LIT (33660... >

Forum: Avatar Chat      Times Read: 4

Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:25

Author: Mueller, Rachel <dancingfrogs13@yahoo.com>

Subject: The Rug Session 1

[9:00] Student13 UTexas: let us all introduce one antoher

[9:00] Student11 UTexas: greetings

[9:01] Student13 UTexas: Nice to meet all of you

[9:01] Student15 UTexas: Im garrison.

[9:01] Student9 UTexas is Online

[9:01] Student15 UTexas: second life wouldnt let me have a buzz cut. so im bald.

[9:02] Student15 UTexas: hello george

[9:02] Student12 UTexas: That's unfortunate

[9:02] Student11 UTexas: I thnk we lost Dave

[9:03] Student13 UTexas: i don't think he was supposed to be in our group

[9:03] You: So we need to determing "What is a leader?"

[9:03] Student12 UTexas: Yes

[9:03] Student12 UTexas: Eventually

[9:04] Student13 UTexas: This is a question I have lived my life by

[9:04] Student14 UTexas is Online

[9:04] Student11 UTexas: I believe a leader is one who knows himself. Who can transcend his own ego and the evils of the world and connect with himself and others in purity and love

[9:04] Student12 UTexas: Hey!

[9:05] Student12 UTexas: Sorry, I'm experimenting with gestures

[9:05] Student9 UTexas: I believe a leader someone who stands up for what the believe in regardless of the storm it stirs

[9:05] Student11 UTexas: Hello, welcome

[9:05] Student13 UTexas: I believe a leader gives hope to the hopeless

[9:05] Student11 UTexas: yes I agree

[9:05] You: I think a leader is isolated

[9:05] Student9 UTexas: represents those who may not be able to stand up for themselves

[9:05] Student11 UTexas: hopeless not only in a physical sense

[9:06] Student13 UTexas: of course

[9:06] Student11 UTexas: a leader cannot be isolated, he must be in touch with the world

[9:06] Student13 UTexas: a leader is one who doesn't allow their past to defeat them but rather use it to change the lives of others

[9:06] Student11 UTexas: to learn from their experiences

[9:06] Student12 UTexas: Can we pick one idea and discuss it?

[9:06] Student9 UTexas: but he must be isolated in that he cannot be attacthed to anything worldly--must be able to separate duty from wants

[9:07] Student9 UTexas: that might be a good idea, St. Colomba

[9:07] Student12 UTexas: What is one aspect of a leader that we would like to discuss?

[9:07] Student12 UTexas: Any ideas St. Colomba?

[9:07] Student13 UTexas: compassion

[9:07] Student9 UTexas: you pick, leader

[9:07] You: Ok, let's discuss what makes him a leader?

[9:07] Student11 UTexas: St. Columba?

[9:07] Student9 UTexas: Is anyone recording this by the way?

[9:07] You: Is that too broad?

[9:08] You: Yes, I AM

[9:08] Student11 UTexas: if you click to the right of where you type you can see the chat history

[9:08] Student11 UTexas: i mean left

[9:08] You: I got it. I promise

[9:08] Student13 UTexas: so what are we discussing

[9:08] Student12 UTexas: Ok, so what aspect of a leader do we want to focus on first?

[9:08] You: Compassion in a hero

[9:09] Student13 UTexas: i think compassion

[9:09] You: (or role model)

[9:09] Student13 UTexas: it is what i have lived my life by

[9:09] Student9 UTexas: St Columba, be a leader and take charge! you decide

[9:09] You: In what way, Oprah?

[9:09] Student12 UTexas: That's actually one of the prompts for a later discussion, compassion and leadership

[9:09] Student11 UTexas: this is true

[9:09] Student13 UTexas: well, i have always strvied to reach out to the people who need hope in their life

[9:09] You: We are trying to define a hero. Oprah said she thinks compassion is important.

[9:10] Student12 UTexas: Alright, defining a leader

[9:10] Student9 UTexas: well to be able to reach out to those who need help, one must have compassion

[9:10] Student13 UTexas: exactly

[9:10] Student9 UTexas: so both work

[9:10] You: So, Ms. Ayi, what do you think a leader is?

[9:10] Student11 UTexas: compassion comes from love, one must let love flow through them to be a leader

[9:10] Student12 UTexas: Is that enough to make one a leader?

[9:11] Student9 UTexas: I feel that a leader is someone who stands up for what they believe in, without concern for political repurcussions

[9:11] Student9 UTexas: they are the voice for oppressed who may be silenced

[9:11] Student11 UTexas: or any repurcussions, they could even face death

[9:11] Student13 UTexas: many people in the life reach a bottom low where they find themeslves defeated

[9:11] Student9 UTexas: if they are truly willing to stand up for what they believe in, death is of no consequence

[9:12] Student13 UTexas: a hero gives them the hope to believe they can reach their dreams

[9:12] You: Can someone lead in a more quiet, very unrecognized way, though?

[9:12] Student11 UTexas: but what if their dreams are flawed

[9:12] Student12 UTexas: (We are discussing leadership, not heroism)

[9:12] Student13 UTexas: that is irrelevant

[9:13] Student9 UTexas: doesnt leadership entail, taking control and organizing an otherwise unoirganized idea/group, though

[9:13] Student11 UTexas: if they dream only of material wealth, they will never be satisfied. a hero must lead them beyond that.

[9:13] Student12 UTexas: Yes, but we keep defining HERO instead of LEADER

[9:13] Student9 UTexas:

[9:13] You: So by following your dreams, you become a leader? What if that isn't an option?

[9:13] Student13 UTexas: no a leader shows others how t o follow their own dream

[9:13] Student11 UTexas: yes, they aid their quest

[9:14] Student13 UTexas: obviously there are many ways by which to do this

[9:14] Student9 UTexas: Not necessarily following dreams...rather taking the initiative to take control of something unorganized, whether it be an idea, a people, etc

[9:14] Student9 UTexas: in my opinion

[9:14] Student13 UTexas: financially, phyisically, mentally

[9:15] Student11 UTexas: spiritually

[9:15] Student12 UTexas: Does being a leader necessarily imply that the individual organizes in some way or another? What if they simply set an example

[9:15] Student13 UTexas: to set a proper example some organization and planning is required

[9:15] You: I feel like I was deprived of the ability to lead in my life because I was exiled. I had no one to set an example to

[9:15] Student11 UTexas: Rosa Parks was a leader in that respect

[9:15] Student9 UTexas: by setting an example, they are setting a precedent that should, in theory, have a following...people following their example of leadership

[9:16] Student13 UTexas: organization can follow from the set example

[9:16] You: So a leader needs followers?

[9:16] Student9 UTexas: and thus, organizing more people to stand up and do something

[9:16] Student11 UTexas: they may not actively organize but their actions indirectly lead to revolutionary ideas and eventual organization

[9:16] Student13 UTexas: for example the oprah winfrey foundation i began enables people all over the world to donate money to help underprivalaged kids

[9:17] Student12 UTexas: Not necessarily. I consider myself a leader, and I did not stand up against political opposition or organize any sort of movement.

[9:17] Student11 UTexas: not followers, I believe a person can be a leader in spite of extreme adversity. Perhaps no one believes in their cause? Then they would have no followers

[9:17] You: So do you feel that action in itself showed leadership?

[9:17] You: (orpah)

[9:17] Student12 UTexas: I spent my entire life learning and shared that knowledge with others

[9:17] Student13 UTexas: not necessarily a movement but simply ACTION must follow

[9:17] Student13 UTexas: action to help, to learn etc.

[9:18] Student12 UTexas: So the leader must influence others to change or act in some way they weren't acting or living before?

[9:18] Student9 UTexas: but a leader cant forsee the actions of others...they cant force others to act

[9:18] Student9 UTexas: only hope to inspire them

[9:18] Student13 UTexas: they can inspire

[9:18] Student9 UTexas: so leadership cant necessitate action, necessarily

[9:18] You: Good point.

[9:18] Student11 UTexas: exactly. It is this hope that others will be fulfilled that defines the compassion and love characteristic of leaders.

[9:19] Student13 UTexas: how can one inspire without doing anything?

[9:19] You: Maybe just by allowing others to observe their life.

[9:19] Student11 UTexas: Just by living and loving they set an example.

[9:19] Student9 UTexas: what? the leader does something but they cant guarantee that others will also do something

[9:19] Student11 UTexas: They don't need the guarantee, only the hope.

[9:19] Student13 UTexas: ok the leader has to do SOMETHING for others to notice and follow

[9:20] You: making others"do something" is not the goal of all leaders, i don't believe.

[9:20] Student12 UTexas: Well what if the leader doesn't even hold the goal of inspiring others?

[9:20] Student9 UTexas: but just by "living and loving" doesnt that constitute leading without action--like we discussed earlier, is leading quietly an option?

[9:20] You: If others follow, he or she is still a leader

[9:20] Student12 UTexas: Perhaps a leader is one who strives to inspire others, whereas a role model acts as just that, without the intent of influencing others

[9:20] Student13 UTexas: they don't need to, bu they still have to be doing something insipring in their own life that others can notice

[9:20] Student11 UTexas: yes most definately

[9:20] Student11 UTexas: a leader should not strive for the spotlight, for himself to be noticed

[9:20] Student13 UTexas: yes

[9:20] Student9 UTexas: fair enough

[9:21] Student13 UTexas: they act with the goal of helping others

[9:21] Student12 UTexas: Not necessarily

[9:21] Student9 UTexas: but then how can they inspire if their actions go unnoticed?

[9:21] You: but some people we consider leaders do try to get attention. not all leaders are good.

[9:21] Student13 UTexas: this is true

[9:21] Student13 UTexas: hitler was one of he greatest leaders in history

[9:21] Student11 UTexas: They must also help themselves, and as a consequence their love reaches out to others.

[9:22] Student11 UTexas: It depends on one's personal goals as to how they view a leader.

[9:22] Student12 UTexas: Just for the sake of making sure we're all on the same page as we're discussing....

[9:22] You: I think Hitler is a good example, though. He didn't love very much as far as i know

[9:22] Student12 UTexas: Well never mind, we are soon out of time

[9:22] Student13 UTexas: he loved germany

[9:22] Student9 UTexas: and himself

[9:22] Student13 UTexas: that was his cause

[9:23] You: Good points. So in conclusion, we think a leader...

[9:23] Student11 UTexas: He certainly led, but he did not lead down the path of righteousness.

[9:23] You: has a following?

[9:23] Student9 UTexas: inspired others

[9:23] Student9 UTexas: fulfills leadership according to our definition

[9:23] Student13 UTexas: inspires others to act/change

[9:23] You: earned attention in someway

[9:23] Student13 UTexas: was noticed

[9:23] Student12 UTexas: So the "path" determines wehter a leader -- technically a neutral word with no value attached -- is good or bad

[9:23] Student11 UTexas: yes

[9:24] Student11 UTexas: leader require no distinction, they simply live in a state free of the evils of the world

[9:24] Student12 UTexas: That brings up an interesting point, because thus far we in class we have only discussed "leader" as a very positive role and somethiing we should strive to be

[9:24] You: Good Discussion. thanks

[9:24] Student13 UTexas: good bye

Forum: Avatar Chat      Times Read: 1

Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:25

Author: Barry, James <bbarry5608@aol.com>

Subject: Mountain 1

[9:01] Student4 UTexas: p.s. who's saving this discussion

[9:01] Student3 UTexas: diplo is supposed to be leadng the discussion

[9:01] Student3 UTexas: and saving it

[9:01] Student2 UTexas: Good old Teddy

[9:01] You: Gaudi, you're looking super playeristic today

[9:01] Student2 UTexas: oops yes siplo

[9:01] Student9 UTexas is Online

[9:01] Student4 UTexas: diplo, are ou the blonde fellow

[9:01] Student2 UTexas: *diplo

[9:01] Student4 UTexas: isnt my jacket...fancy?

[9:01] Student3 UTexas: Gaudi get off the bench, thats for the leader

[9:02] You: Yeah. papi

[9:02] Student4 UTexas: sigh

[9:02] Student3 UTexas: Diplo, go sit on the bench

[9:02] Student2 UTexas: Well hello Gaudi

[9:02] Student4 UTexas: hello

[9:02] Student4 UTexas: grandpa?

[9:02] Student2 UTexas: Yes

[9:02] Student4 UTexas: thats what i thought

[9:03] Student4 UTexas: how's it going?

[9:03] Student2 UTexas: How is everyone's day going?

[9:03] Student3 UTexas: well, my day is going well

[9:03] Student4 UTexas: what have you accomplshed today, Malcom X

[9:03] Student2 UTexas: It is going well, I woke up at about 3:30 and just could not fall back asleep

[9:04] Student2 UTexas: CAn everyone please say their names?

[9:04] Student3 UTexas: aww, I had work his morning, where i trnsformed Mauro's avatar into myself

[9:05] Student2 UTexas: What does everyone have planned for today?

[9:05] You: Probably playing soccer with some Angolan dudes

[9:05] Student4 UTexas: i'm probably going to go on a nature hike. do some sketches. go to bed early

[9:05] Student3 UTexas: I have a guitar lesson at 4:00

[9:05] Student3 UTexas: Perhaps we should get started on the discussion

[9:06] Student4 UTexas: Ok

[9:06] Student2 UTexas: I think I am going to just sit in the TV room for awhile and take a nap on the recliner and thne I am going to go downstairs into the shop to print out theinvoice for customer # 231

[9:06] Student4 UTexas: haha

[9:06] Student4 UTexas: So, everyone, What is the relationship between leadership and compassion?

[9:06] You: So, leadership, what it do?

[9:07] Student3 UTexas: We're doing "What is a leader

[9:07] Student2 UTexas: Whthats for next discussion (fyi)

[9:07] Student2 UTexas: yes

[9:07] Student2 UTexas: WHAT IS A LEADER?

[9:07] Student4 UTexas: I don't personally see myself as a leader. I guess I'm leading some important architectual projects

[9:07] Student4 UTexas: (I'm a pretty humble guy)

[9:07] Student2 UTexas: Well I do not thingk of myself as a leader. I have a wondeful wife and a wonderful family and job, ut I woud not think that I am a leader in anyone's eyes.

[9:08] Student3 UTexas: A leader is one who can inspire, one who acts with charisma and strength to bring the many together under one ideal

[9:08] You: Diplo's playlist is rocking this place!

[9:08] Student4 UTexas: Well I think we all fit that criteria

[9:08] Student2 UTexas: To m,e a leader is someone very spiritual who lives a life of simpliciy and goodness

[9:09] You: The real heroes are the unexceptional people

[9:09] Student3 UTexas: but a leader must lead

[9:09] Student4 UTexas: I think there are many different types of leaders and heroes

[9:09] Student3 UTexas: he must want change

[9:09] Student2 UTexas: I would, without a doubt, consider Jesus a hero.

[9:09] Student4 UTexas: JEsus was a religious leader

[9:09] You: Nah X, leaders just do their thing

[9:09] Student4 UTexas: Diplo is a cultural/artist leaer

[9:10] Student3 UTexas: what is a leaders "thing"?

[9:10] Student4 UTexas: Grandpa is a role model

[9:10] You: Just what he do, mang

[9:10] Student2 UTexas: what do you think you do that would make you a leader in someones else's ees?

[9:10] Student2 UTexas: *eyes

[9:10] Student3 UTexas: What does a leader do then?

[9:10] Student4 UTexas: Make a difference

[9:10] Student4 UTexas: Do something memorable

[9:10] Student3 UTexas: strive for change, yes

[9:10] Student2 UTexas: es Gaudi, i agree

[9:10] You: Acts like a naormal homie

[9:10] Student4 UTexas: haha

[9:11] Student3 UTexas: but one must not simply do something memorable to be a leader

[9:11] You: You can't be struttin around like you that new freshness

[9:11] Student4 UTexas: what is this "new freshness" you speak of?

[9:11] Student3 UTexas: yes, what is it, Diplo. I do not undestand...

[9:12] You: You can't be cocky. dudes

[9:12] You: You goota be humble

[9:12] You: Stay on the level

[9:12] Student3 UTexas: to be a leader?

[9:12] Student4 UTexas: Malcolm X, aren't you pretty cocky?

[9:12] Student2 UTexas: A leader is one that takes action, that is not afraid to act by what they feel deep within their heart, no matter who is watching. A leader is a mother, a brother, and maybe teacher or friend. They are people in your daily life that influence you to do what is right.

[9:12] Student3 UTexas: To be a leader you must rise above all else

[9:12] Student4 UTexas: In pursuit of...

[9:12] Student4 UTexas: truth?

[9:12] Student2 UTexas: yes

[9:13] You: In pursuit of the human spirit

[9:13] You: We've all got it dog

[9:13] Student2 UTexas: truth and righteousness for those around you

[9:13] You: Just tap into that

[9:13] Student3 UTexas: for there to be leaders there must be followers. Such a scheme would not exist with everyone on a plain level

[9:13] You: Put it in your pocket

[9:13] Student2 UTexas: Do you guys consider yourself leaders?

[9:13] Student4 UTexas: I suppose that's true, X. But don't you think everyone has goals?

[9:13] Student3 UTexas: I do, Yes

[9:13] You: I'm leading a campaign for hott jams and world peace

[9:14] Student3 UTexas: Yes people do have goals, some manifest it by being a proponent of change, others manifest it by following those people

[9:14] Student2 UTexas: Malcom why do you see yurself as a leader?

[9:14] Student4 UTexas: I'm still confused about the line between leaders and heroes...are we supposed to be talking about both?

[9:14] You: Man, we can just do what we does

[9:14] Student3 UTexas: I see myself as a leader because I lead, I rally people for what I believe is right

[9:15] Student3 UTexas: We're not discussing heroes at the moment, simply "what is a leader"

[9:15] Student4 UTexas: Ok

[9:15] You: You lead when your into what your love

[9:15] Student2 UTexas: I think for the next few minutes we are supposed to be talking about leaders. My friend sam is a great guy who led me to a sucesssful careeer in the pipe repair buisness. but i wuld not say that he is my hero, simply an influentionl companion

[9:15] You: You make it hot for the people

[9:15] You: Keep it fresh and real

[9:15] Student4 UTexas: Well we decided a leader sees a need for change, right?

[9:15] Student3 UTexas: yes

[9:16] You: Yeah, who wants to chill in the status quo?

[9:16] Student3 UTexas: the change may be small, it may be grand. But it must be change

[9:16] Student2 UTexas: or maybe a leader could be a role model, someone who leads by example

[9:16] Student4 UTexas: Well I suppose I fit that description--I try to change the way people see the world

[9:16] You: Kids hit me up on MySpace all the time, I tell them what it do

[9:16] Student3 UTexas: Well, then that makes you a leader does it not?

[9:16] Student4 UTexas: MySpace scares me

[9:17] Student2 UTexas: I do not think I am a hero, but I may be a leader in the church and in my family

[9:17] Student3 UTexas: Diplo, do you strive for change through your music?

[9:17] You: Nah, I want to expose

[9:17] Student2 UTexas: what is my space?

[9:17] You: I want to unearth minerals

[9:17] Student4 UTexas: ooooh grandpa

[9:17] Student3 UTexas: And you, Giardina, you strive for change in te hearts of your family and church members, am I wrong?

[9:17] Student2 UTexas: sorry. i am out of the loop thse days

[9:17] Student4 UTexas: you should get a blog

[9:17] You: Yous real, gramps.

[9:18] Student2 UTexas: I guess you coul say that, but i do not set out for that particular purpose, I jut live a good life and hope that others catch on, but yes, for change

[9:18] You: Like that Lil Scrappy jawn "Be Real"

[9:18] Student3 UTexas: You wish to expose, Diplo?

[9:18] You: Yeah man, the beats are l;ike minerals

[9:18] You: You mine that shit

[9:18] Student4 UTexas: you are just full of metaphors, diplo

[9:18] Student2 UTexas: The beats are like minerals...this is not a familiar expression to me.

[9:18] Student3 UTexas: what do you wish to expose with your music, then?

[9:19] You: Thy're out there, just nobody dug to em yet

[9:19] You: The universe, mang

[9:19] Student4 UTexas: how do you craft your music?/

[9:19] Student3 UTexas: then you strive to open the eyes of those who have not witnessed your mineral beats

[9:19] Student3 UTexas: do you not?

[9:19] You: I do most of my stuff in Bodymore these days

[9:20] Student2 UTexas: I do not belive I have heard your "beats" what are the lyrics about?

[9:20] Student4 UTexas: these beats, do you create them? or find them? or combine things you have unearthed

[9:20] You: Yeah, people don't know the next level ish coming out of third world countries

[9:20] You: I release stuff from all over on my label

[9:20] You: MAD DECENT RECORDS 2007

[9:20] Student3 UTexas: then you are changing their outlook on such issues

[9:20] You: And I make my own too

[9:20] You: I DJ most nights

[9:20] Student3 UTexas: changing their outlook on the third world

[9:21] Student4 UTexas: fantastical!

[9:21] You: Hit up that hollertronix website for details

[9:21] Student2 UTexas: What are the songs about

[9:21] You: Feelings, man

[9:21] Student3 UTexas: would you consider yourself a leader?

[9:21] You: They been supressed for decades

[9:21] You: Just letting that pain out

[9:21] You: Like a saftey valve

[9:21] Student4 UTexas: I think Diplo's a leader. He's changing the way people listen and what people feel

[9:21] Student3 UTexas: If youre trying to help get the pain out, are you a leader?

[9:22] Student2 UTexas: I try to use that dang internet stoff, but I am just no good at it. My grandson Nathan and my Grandaught, Emily always try to teach me, but I just cannot understand how it knows so much about everything.

[9:22] You: Let off steam, nawmean?

[9:22] Student3 UTexas: I agree, If he can bring a large grop of people together under a common interest, then he must be a leader

[9:22] Student4 UTexas: What about compassion?

[9:22] Student2 UTexas: That sounds very plausible

[9:22] You: You gotta show love to errbody

[9:22] Student3 UTexas: Compassion in a leader?

[9:22] Student4 UTexas: yes

[9:22] Student2 UTexas: compassion is the only way to life a fufilling life

[9:23] Student2 UTexas: without it, you are nothing

[9:23] Student4 UTexas: is it necessary to be compassionate to be a leader?

[9:23] Student3 UTexas: Indeed, but does leadership truly involve it?

[9:23] You: If you gonna be bout, be trill bout it

[9:23] Student3 UTexas: was Hitler compassionate?

[9:23] Student2 UTexas: I would say yes

[9:23] Student2 UTexas: not about hitler

[9:23] Student4 UTexas: X, tell us about your journey and how in the end, you found compassion

[9:23] You: Man, Hitler was some wack ish

[9:23] Student2 UTexas: that damned man

[9:23] Student3 UTexas: Me?

[9:23] Student4 UTexas: yes

[9:23] You: Gaudi, yous got some pretty crunk buildings

[9:24] Student3 UTexas: After I completed my pilgrimage to mecca, I learned the truth about Islam

[9:24] Student4 UTexas: I know, right?

[9:24] Student3 UTexas: True Islam is a religion of Brotherhood

[9:24] You: Yeah, playa!

[9:24] Student2 UTexas: I think Christianity is better

[9:24] You: You know whats good

[9:24] You: Bump that elistist ish

[9:24] Student2 UTexas: But I would love to hear more about this Islam thatyou talk about

[9:24] Student4 UTexas: k is diplo oing to do hat

[9:24] Student3 UTexas: well, I suppose we'll have to leave this discussion for later

[9:24] You: Yeah mang

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Forum: Avatar Chat      Times Read: 1

Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:26

Author: Singapura, Prianka <prianka.singapura@bba06.mccombs.utexas.edu>

Subject: Office 1

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[9:04] Student6 UTexas: yes, i have

[9:04] Student10 UTexas: What do you think about it, then?

[9:05] Student5 UTexas: so i do believe we are supposed to discuss what makes a hero

[9:05] Student6 UTexas: yes you are right, motha

[9:05] Student16 UTexas: Have you considered Rehab?

[9:05] Student15 UTexas: Where is that fly cat Shobha?

[9:05] Student15 UTexas: I've been there, man.

[9:05] You: im here sorry

[9:05] Student17 UTexas: Good morning Shobha

[9:05] You: okay

[9:05] Student15 UTexas: HOW YOU DOIN THIS MORNIN?

[9:05] Student18 UTexas: Good morning

[9:05] Student16 UTexas: Afternoon Shobha, how nice of you to join us?

[9:06] You: Good Morning everyone

[9:06] Student16 UTexas: So, what's the agenda for today's meeting? I have to go hunt something with my bare hands in a few hours.

[9:06] You: sorry i am late

[9:06] Student18 UTexas: its not noon yet?!?

[9:06] You: So lets talk about the meaning of a leader

[9:06] You: who wants to start

[9:06] You: Okay

[9:06] You: I will

[9:07] Student18 UTexas: kk

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: Man, I think Teddy should start. He was the leader of a big nation, eh?

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: That's coo.

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: Of course, and I shall.

[9:07] Student17 UTexas: Yes, tell us about bein a leader, Teddy

[9:07] You: To me, a leader is someone who others can emulate.

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: Or would you like to start us off, Shobha?

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: Shobha, you're a fly cat.

[9:07] You: Just did, go ahead Teddy!

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: Precisely. therefore a leader must be strong for his people

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, yeah.

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: What if he ain't got people?

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: He must not falter in his decisions. He cannot be hesitant

[9:08] Student17 UTexas: True, leaders must be brave and set a good example for their followers.

[9:08] Student16 UTexas: Then he will attract people with his charisma

[9:08] Student18 UTexas: That's what I believe in: leadership anyone can emulate. A down to earth example of how to live life

[9:08] You: If he does not have people. than a leader should have conviction in his beliefs

[9:08] Student16 UTexas: Exactly.

[9:08] Student16 UTexas: There is no grey area.

[9:08] Student15 UTexas: Leaders have to find their own inspiration.

[9:08] You: to answer your question Dave

[9:09] Student15 UTexas: Their true reflection. Somethin deep down inside of them. That's what others can emulate, man.

[9:09] You: Yes

[9:09] Student16 UTexas: Bill, what is your poetic wishy wash on this?

[9:09] Student18 UTexas: True reflection!!! I like that

[9:09] You: I also think that a good leader is someone who's actions follow their convictions.

[9:09] Student17 UTexas: Indeed a leader is the most glorious thing o ne could aspire to be.

[9:09] Student15 UTexas: Bill, I wrote a song entitld that. You might like it.

[9:09] You: Action is just as important as ideas

[9:10] Student17 UTexas: But I would like to ask your opinion about leaders who fail, or who aren't loved by their people. Are they still leaders?

[9:10] Student16 UTexas: I concur Shobha, a leader must commit to something and not look back

[9:10] You: This action is what creates a distinction between a visionary and a leader.

[9:10] Student16 UTexas: As long as the person stays true to him or her self, they are still their own leaders.

[9:10] You: Let's talk about Shakespeare's question (are you number 17)?

[9:10] Student15 UTexas: True, and people don't have to necessarily love you to follow you.

[9:11] Student17 UTexas: Yes

[9:11] Student16 UTexas: We cannot limit a leader to a group.

[9:11] Student15 UTexas: Like, damn, Bill - those frilly collars you wear are a little crazy for me. But you write some good stuff.

[9:11] You: Hang on

[9:11] Student17 UTexas: Thank you David.

[9:11] Student15 UTexas: Don't got to love them to follow them.

[9:11] You: let's talk about the absence of a following.

[9:11] Student16 UTexas: I enjoy your song entitled, "Gravedigger," David.

[9:11] Student15 UTexas: Thanks, Ted.

[9:11] You: Let's stop talking about Dave's awesome songs

[9:12] Student15 UTexas: "Find some inspiration, it's down deep inside of you. And in your situation, your whole life is ahead of you."

[9:12] You: That's actually relevant

[9:12] Student15 UTexas: I thought that might be appropriate for the leadership forum we got goin on.

[9:12] You: Yes.

[9:12] Student17 UTexas: So are we all leaders for following our own inspiration?

[9:13] Student18 UTexas: That's the key: using your experiences and skills to lead others

[9:13] You: But can inspiration not come from an external source?

[9:13] Student15 UTexas: It can come from both inside and out.

[9:13] You: From others suffering?

[9:13] Student17 UTexas: I agree

[9:13] Student16 UTexas: Yes. When all else fails, as long as we are true and committed to our own beliefs, we will be leaders.

[9:13] You: What about leaders versus heroes?

[9:13] Student15 UTexas: We lead our body every which way every step we take. of course we're leaders.

[9:13] You: Is a leader a hero?

[9:13] Student18 UTexas: we become heros when our leadership helps others

[9:14] You: It seems to me that people think a hero is someone who's leadership has been successful

[9:14] Student16 UTexas: When we are finally able to see the product of our leadership, I believe that is what constitutes a hero.

[9:14] Student17 UTexas: I think hero has more to do with how others perceive you

[9:14] Student17 UTexas: You might be a leader to everyone, but not a Hero to everyone

[9:14] You: okay explain that Will

[9:14] You: okay

[9:14] Student15 UTexas: Life's like a desert: where does it go, and where does it begin? A hero's life has a place it's goin

[9:14] Student18 UTexas: hitler was a leader

[9:14] You: So a hero is more subjective than a leader?

[9:15] Student16 UTexas: But Hitler was also seen as a Hero of his people.

[9:15] Student15 UTexas: Hitler was not a cool cat.

[9:15] Student17 UTexas: Exactly

[9:15] You: That's who i was thinking of...

[9:15] Student17 UTexas: But he is not a hero to others, I hear. I don't know very much about him

[9:15] You: so Hitler was a leader, not necessarily a hero to everyone

[9:15] Student17 UTexas: He was after my time.

[9:15] Student16 UTexas: I admire his leadership capabilities. However, his character is questionable.

[9:15] You: haha

[9:15] Student15 UTexas: He had weird facial hair, man.

[9:15] You: I think that a leader must have certain attributes

[9:15] Student17 UTexas: In my world, I think the Queen is both a leader and a hero

[9:16] You: like they say, there are natural-born leaders

[9:16] Student17 UTexas: She maintains a good rule of her people and is a strong person

[9:16] Student15 UTexas: And proof that a leader doesn't have to be foxy.

[9:16] You: haha

[9:16] You: definitely not foxy

[9:16] Student18 UTexas: rotfl

[9:16] Student15 UTexas: You don't have to love them to follow them.

[9:16] You: But that doesn't make sense to me

[9:16] Student16 UTexas: What is that strange language you are speaking, Elleny?

[9:16] Student18 UTexas: lol

[9:16] You: you have to believe in what yu are following right

[9:17] Student15 UTexas: Nah, nah.

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: you dont

[9:17] Student17 UTexas: The minds of the people are easily swayed.

[9:17] Student15 UTexas: Consider the situation we got goin on in this dem-ocracy we got.

[9:17] You: You don't have to believe in what you follow?

[9:17] Student16 UTexas: There is a fine line between leadership and manipulation.

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: not at all

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: it might make you more effective

[9:17] You: okay...but people should believe in what they follow

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: but there are many leaders who dont

[9:17] Student15 UTexas: Not everybody loves Mr. George Bush, but they follow him.

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: they should

[9:17] Student17 UTexas: When Caesar was killed, he the people flocked to Brutus through his manipulation. However, when Antny took the stage they immediately switched to follow him.

[9:18] You: then i would not consider them a true leader if they don't have conviction in their beliefs

[9:18] Student17 UTexas: Are Brutus and Antony leaders?

[9:18] Student16 UTexas: Who is this Bush? He sounds like a controversial man.

[9:18] Student17 UTexas: Indeed he does.

[9:18] Student15 UTexas: Nowadays though, peple are still just as easily swayed, but the circumstances have changed. You can't just go killin your leaders now.

[9:18] Student18 UTexas: how can one tell if a historical figure truely believes in what they said he or she believed in

[9:18] You: Is anyone who has a following a leader? that sounds like a base definition of a leader

[9:18] Student18 UTexas: sure you can

[9:18] Student16 UTexas: You must see it in their actions.

[9:18] Student18 UTexas: look abroad

[9:19] Student16 UTexas: I enjoy nature. That is why I established numerous national parks and wild life preserves.

[9:19] Student18 UTexas: there have been assasinations in the US too

[9:19] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, yeah. but it's not the kosher thing to do.

[9:19] You: haha

[9:19] Student16 UTexas: I have been informed of an instance where a young charismatic man by the name the Kennedy was assassinated.

[9:19] Student17 UTexas: Such strange language in you modern fellows.

[9:19] Student15 UTexas: We all caught up in administravia now, man.

[9:20] You: okay, but what are you getting at ellen?

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: i dont know

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: i forgot

[9:20] Student15 UTexas: She had a big weekend, Shob.

[9:20] Student17 UTexas: Would the men who assassinated Presidents be heroes then?

[9:20] Student16 UTexas: Indeed, I caught a glimpse on my picture screen!

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: i am still recovering from that brutal snake attack

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: those shadows are viscious

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: They might be considered leaders, but heroes? That's scary. That's halloween stuff.

[9:21] Student16 UTexas: They are their own leaders.

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, yeah.

[9:21] Student18 UTexas: if a man (or woman) is a hero is entirely subjective

[9:21] You: so i think we are agreeing then that leaders are anyone who has a following

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: or they're leading themselves.

[9:21] Student18 UTexas: true

[9:21] You: whereas a hero is up for debate

[9:21] Student17 UTexas: Indeed,

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: hero is all sorts of quesion marks.

[9:22] You: so we are not making it sound difficult to become a hero

[9:22] You: i mean a leader

[9:22] Student16 UTexas: There are numerous definitions of what a Hero ought to be.

[9:22] You: it sounds like i can declare myself a leader

[9:22] Student15 UTexas: A hero has to emerge successfully, baby.

[9:22] Student18 UTexas: I love you Shakesphere

[9:22] Student16 UTexas: Well, you have done a mighty fine job leading us, Shobha.

[9:22] Student15 UTexas: Pop out of that soul cocoon.

[9:22] Student18 UTexas: and Teddy, please dont hit me

[9:22] You: okay, and a leader just has to believe in himself and his cause

[9:23] Student15 UTexas: And he's got to find that inspiration.

[9:23] Student16 UTexas: Becareful, Ellen.

[9:23] Student17 UTexas: Quite a well directed conversation we have had.

[9:23] You: okay well since we only have a few minutes left in this amazing discussion does anyone have any final thoughts that are on topic?

[9:23] Student18 UTexas: I still dont believe that a leader has to belive in his or her cause

[9:23] You: just himself?

[9:23] Student17 UTexas: Do you not believe in your cause?

[9:23] Student18 UTexas: or even himself

[9:24] You: than what?

[9:24] Student17 UTexas: I don't think they would be a true leader without true convictions

[9:24] You: yes

[9:24] Student16 UTexas: Then what will label him as a leader?

[9:24] You: i concur

[9:24] Student15 UTexas: If you don't have a cause and you just wanderin' round aimlessly, you no kind of leader at all.

[9:24] Student18 UTexas: People lead simply for the powerr

[9:24] Student15 UTexas: We gotta go, babies.

[9:24] You: it is a question of power

[9:24] Student18 UTexas: in many cases

[9:24] Student17 UTexas: Well farewell my friends.

[9:24] You: okay thanks for coming

[9:24] Student16 UTexas: Good day, gentleman and ladies.

[9:24] Student18 UTexas: goodbye

[9:24] Student15 UTexas: GOOD NIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

[9:24] You: i know you all have very busy lives!

[9:24] You: Good afternoon

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Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:26

Author: Fu, Alexandra <alexandra.fu@mail.utexas.edu>

Subject: 1st Session: Campfire Green Balls

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Frank Warren - Alexandra Fu, Student 10

Mother Teresa - Megan Gilbert, Student 5

Bill Gates - Eric Hui Student 6

Kenneth Peters - Amanda Jones, Student 7

 

[9:00] Student5 UTexas is Online

[9:00] Student13 UTexas: hello all

[9:00] Student12 UTexas: Greetings

[9:00] Student13 UTexas: let us all introduce one antoher

[9:00] Student11 UTexas: greetings

[9:01] You: Hi everyone

[9:01] Student6 UTexas: hellow guys

[9:01] Student6 UTexas: who are ya'll

[9:02] Student6 UTexas: number 7 abd 10?

[9:02] Student6 UTexas: where is f warren

[9:02] You: Hi, I'm Frank

[9:03] Student5 UTexas: im mother teresa

[9:03] Student7 UTexas: Hi, I'm Student 7 / Kenneth Peters, a youth director from Houston

[9:03] Student6 UTexas: oh hellow mr. peters

[9:03] Student6 UTexas: shall we begin?

[9:03] You: Nice to meet everyone

[9:03] Student6 UTexas: who is f. warren

[9:04] Student14 UTexas is Online

[9:04] You: I am

[9:04] Student6 UTexas: i know that

[9:04] Student6 UTexas: what do you do?

[9:04] You: I founded the PosteSecret blog

[9:04] You: where people can put their secrets on postcards

[9:04] Student6 UTexas: oh ok cool

[9:04] Student5 UTexas: thats interesting

[9:04] Student6 UTexas: i love post secret

[9:04] You: So you've seen the site before?

[9:04] Student6 UTexas: yes, i have

[9:04] You: What do you think about it, then?

[9:05] Student5 UTexas: so i do believe we are supposed to discuss what makes a hero

[9:05] Student6 UTexas: yes you are right, motha

[9:05] Student5 UTexas: haha

[9:05] Student7 UTexas: first, shall we take turns?

[9:05] You: what makes a leader, actually

[9:05] Student5 UTexas: sorry for the wrong word choice

[9:06] Student6 UTexas: well, a leader is someone who shows dedication

[9:06] You: so what does everyone think a general definition is?

[9:06] Student6 UTexas: first of all

[9:06] You: a basic denotation

[9:06] Student5 UTexas: this is extremely hard to come up with a definition

[9:07] Student7 UTexas: a leader is someone who follows their passion without regard for what the rest of the world thinks

[9:07] Student6 UTexas: i agree. can we say that we are all leaders then?

[9:07] Student5 UTexas: why dont we first say what they need to do then come up with a definition?

[9:07] You: but if it's without regard for what the rest of the world thinks

[9:07] Student6 UTexas: does a leader involved other people or just one's self

[9:07] You: who are they leading?

[9:07] Student6 UTexas: that's what i was wondering

[9:07] Student5 UTexas: but doesnt the term leader imply that they are "leading"?

[9:07] Student5 UTexas: can you lead yourself

[9:07] Student5 UTexas: or must you affect others?

[9:08] Student6 UTexas: i think you have to affect others

[9:08] Student5 UTexas: i agree

[9:08] Student6 UTexas: if you are a hermit, i don't feel you are a leader

[9:08] Student7 UTexas: if you're following a dream, even if it's by yourself at first, i think others will follow

[9:08] Student7 UTexas: but if you're constantly worried about what the world thinks, then you will never take the initiative to change it

[9:08] You: I think that's the difference between a hero and a leader

[9:08] Student6 UTexas: hmm, that's interesting. i don't think you call that person a leader until he affects others

[9:08] You: a hero can follow their passion independently

[9:08] Student6 UTexas: oh yes.

[9:08] You: but a leader must take others into account

[9:08] Student5 UTexas: true but if you have a dream to create the worlds largest homeless shelter but never engage the help of others and do it all by yourself have you really lead?

[9:08] Student6 UTexas: i agree

[9:09] Student6 UTexas: yes, i agree with frank

[9:09] Student7 UTexas: would not involving anyone really be the best way of following that passion?

[9:09] Student7 UTexas: i don't think it would

[9:09] You: that's not to say a hero can't also affect others

[9:09] Student5 UTexas: youve made this world a better place but you havent better another individual character

[9:09] Student7 UTexas: so in following your passion you would end up leading others

[9:09] Student6 UTexas: well, i see where kenneth peters is coming from

[9:10] You: well, does being a leader always mean you make the world a better place?

[9:10] Student6 UTexas: but i feel that you doing your own thing isn't good enough

[9:10] Student5 UTexas: ok but what if you dont inspire others?

[9:10] You: Hitler was obviously a leader, but definitely no hero

[9:10] Student5 UTexas: are you a leader then?

[9:10] Student6 UTexas: you have to have the desire to help others

[9:10] You: we think about notorious such dictators

[9:10] You: who obviously could lead

[9:10] You: or at least control

[9:10] You: but did they even have the desire to help others?

[9:10] Student5 UTexas: perhaps a leader is one who blazes their own trail in order to allow others the opportunity to follow

[9:10] Student6 UTexas: a good leader, in the basic sense then, is someone who can spur others to action

[9:11] Student6 UTexas: hitler was a leader because he organized people

[9:11] Student7 UTexas: right, not necessarily because they helped people

[9:11] You: I agree with all of those statements

[9:11] Student6 UTexas: in the business sence, ceo's are good leaders, though not always moral

[9:11] Student7 UTexas: true

[9:11] Student5 UTexas: i like the way we are all talking with our hands

[9:11] You: right, but they can inspire others, and set things into motion

[9:12] Student5 UTexas: perhaps thats all a leader truly does

[9:12] You: give others an opportunity to follow

[9:12] You: to set things in motions

[9:12] You: *motion

[9:12] Student6 UTexas: can we discuss what we've done as leaders then?

[9:12] Student7 UTexas: ideally, a good leader would be both compassionate and inspiring, but i suppose the compassionate part should be a discussion for another time

[9:12] Student5 UTexas: exactly

[9:12] You: well, again

[9:12] You: not necessarily

[9:12] Student5 UTexas: to all the above

[9:12] You: even the dictators were technically "good leaders"

[9:12] You: think about how Hitler originally inspired the masses

[9:13] Student6 UTexas: yes, percisely

[9:13] Student7 UTexas: i agree, that's why i say 'ideally'

[9:13] Student5 UTexas: well an IDEAL leader would have compassion

[9:13] You: unless by "good" we mean ideally moral

[9:13] You: alright

[9:13] You: well, then, how about all of us?

[9:13] Student6 UTexas: well, i am a leader

[9:13] Student5 UTexas: i am as well

[9:13] Student6 UTexas: in both the business sense and compassionate sense

[9:14] Student5 UTexas: thats the reason we are all here

[9:14] Student6 UTexas: i agree

[9:14] Student6 UTexas: but what makes us different then?

[9:14] Student6 UTexas: we're leaders in different ways

[9:14] Student7 UTexas: Bill, how are you being a leader in the business world?

[9:14] Student5 UTexas: do we all have compassion? isnt that one of the main reasons we were chosen?

[9:15] Student6 UTexas: well, i am chairman and cofounder of microsoft. i am a leader in the business world and i run the company well

[9:15] Student6 UTexas: i'm not sure if there's much compassion in business

[9:15] Student5 UTexas: and you have made youself quite wealthy!

[9:15] Student6 UTexas: but outside of business,i've founded the bill and melinda gates foundation

[9:15] Student5 UTexas: do you gve your money to charities?

[9:15] Student6 UTexas: which has an endowment of over 35 billioni

[9:15] You: how do you reconcile the two, then?

[9:15] You: in terms of business vs. compassion

[9:15] Student5 UTexas: are you philantrophic? you could be a leader in that area

[9:15] You: since you said yourself there isn't much compassion is business

[9:16] Student6 UTexas: addtionally, i've encouraged warren buffet to donate 80% of his billions to charit too

[9:16] You: does the foundation compensate for the lack in the business world?

[9:16] Student6 UTexas: i think it does

[9:16] Student6 UTexas: take for example rockefelle, carnige, vanderbilt

[9:16] Student5 UTexas: another way you could bring compassion to business is the way you deal with people on a day to day basis

[9:16] Student6 UTexas: they've all made it big in the business world and in turn used that money to benifit society

[9:16] Student7 UTexas: how are you actually leading people in the business world? we know your titles, but what are you actually DOING?

[9:16] Student6 UTexas: i agree

[9:17] Student6 UTexas: well, for one, everyone in my company has my personal email address

[9:17] Student6 UTexas: so if they need to contact me, they can.

[9:17] Student7 UTexas: so they feel connected

[9:17] Student5 UTexas: thats extremely personable

[9:17] You: making yourself acessible to those that folow you

[9:17] Student7 UTexas: you value the inividual

[9:17] You: *follow

[9:17] Student7 UTexas: i think that's important in a leader

[9:17] Student5 UTexas: thats a great way to remain a leader

[9:17] You: definitely not the norm for a bigtime CEO

[9:17] Student5 UTexas: to stay in touch with your "followers"

[9:17] Student6 UTexas: granted, i get over 1000 emails a day

[9:17] Student6 UTexas: but, i try my best

[9:17] You: do you go through them all?

[9:17] You: does a secretary?

[9:18] Student6 UTexas: i'm not sure

[9:18] Student6 UTexas: do you go through all the post cards yourself?

[9:18] Student5 UTexas: hahaha

[9:18] You: I do, in fact

[9:18] You: my wife helps sometimes

[9:18] Student6 UTexas: how many do you get each day?

[9:18] You: I get thousands weekly

[9:18] Student5 UTexas: that must take a lot of patience

[9:18] Student6 UTexas: wow. do you feel you are leading people indirectly

[9:18] You: but I suppose illustrated postcards might be easier to go through than intricate emails regarding business

[9:18] Student6 UTexas: i mean, you don't even know those people

[9:18] Student5 UTexas: something a think a leader should possess

[9:18] Student6 UTexas: but they poor their hearts out to you

[9:19] Student6 UTexas: *pour

[9:19] You: I think it's how we said that a leader inspires others to act

[9:19] Student7 UTexas: in a sense, warren knows his 'followers' in a way no one else does

[9:19] You: they act anonymously, yet

[9:19] You: but it's a big step for each of them

[9:19] You: *yes

[9:19] Student5 UTexas: who is f, warren? i misses that part of the conversation

[9:19] You: the idea isn't that they necessarily pour their hearts out to me

[9:19] You: it's that they do it so others can see it online

[9:19] Student5 UTexas: oh nevermind

[9:20] Student5 UTexas: i remember

[9:20] Student5 UTexas: i was having a senior moment

[9:20] You: and its actually my followers that interact with each other, emotionally

[9:20] You: I'm but the facilitator

[9:20] Student7 UTexas: so you're more just providing the opportunity/release?

[9:20] You: essentially

[9:20] Student7 UTexas: so maybe part of being a leader is just creating opportunities for other

[9:20] You: I lead them to something they find within themselves

[9:20] Student7 UTexas: opportunities for them to change themselves

[9:21] Student5 UTexas: exactly

[9:21] You: or at least that's the goal

[9:21] You: or not even change

[9:21] You: but just to recognize and admit

[9:21] Student5 UTexas: in my work though i deal mostly with those that are dying

[9:21] Student5 UTexas: i care for them

[9:21] Student5 UTexas: is that providing them opportunitites?

[9:21] Student7 UTexas: right, so when it comes down to it, it's not about the leader changing something in the end, but rather everyone who 'follows' to be changing

[9:21] Student6 UTexas: i think that correct

[9:22] Student6 UTexas: though mother teresa is dead

[9:22] You: or perhaps it's not necessarily the dying that are your followers

[9:22] Student5 UTexas: true

[9:22] You: but the others who are inspired to join your line of work

[9:22] Student6 UTexas: she has left a legacy of change

[9:22] Student5 UTexas: there are my group of workers that are helping me open homes around the world

[9:22] You: What about you, Kenneth?

[9:22] Student6 UTexas: so should we make a definition

[9:22] You: We haven't heard from Mr. Peters yet

[9:22] You: 0.

[9:23] You: *sorry, I hit a random key

[9:23] Student7 UTexas: My leadership vision in life is to inspire the youth of our nation to think for themselves

[9:23] You: definitely what we discussed, then

[9:23] Student7 UTexas: i'm tring to break through 'hearts of stone' in a sense

[9:23] You: in terms of inspiration/change

[9:23] Student7 UTexas: yes

[9:23] Student5 UTexas: noble work

[9:23] You: how have you seen that in action?

[9:24] You: Have your followers' "stone hearts" been "broken"?

[9:24] Student7 UTexas: well, one of the most gratifying times in my life was when one of my own studens came to me with a plan for a new youth group, led completely by students

[9:24] You: recreating your work, essentially

[9:24] You: but for themselves

[9:24] Student7 UTexas: to see them thinking for themselve,s seeing a need, then trying to reach out and meet it themselves, was truly amazing

[9:24] You: that's wonderful

[9:24] You: well, I guess we're wrapping up

[9:24] Student5 UTexas: well it was nice talking to everyone

[9:24] You: it was nice meeting everyone!

[9:24] Student7 UTexas: nice to meet you all

[9:24] Student5 UTexas: bye

[9:25] Student7 UTexas: keep working hard, and inspiring others!

[9:25] Student6 UTexas: you saving the chat f. warren?

[9:25] You: yes, I am

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Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:46

Author: Wong, Elizabeth <wong@mail.utexas.edu>

Subject: Office 2

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[8:50] Student18 UTexas is Online

[8:51] Student16 UTexas is Online

[8:52] Student3 UTexas is Online

[8:52] Student18 UTexas: Goodmorning Shakesphere

[8:52] You: good morning ellen

[8:53] Student4 UTexas is Online

[8:53] You: that's a pretty big stick, law ;)

[8:54] Student16 UTexas: Hoooooh yeah 8-)

[8:54] You: and nice pipe

[8:54] Student16 UTexas: Cigar!

[8:55] Student11 UTexas is Online

[8:55] Student7 UTexas is Online

[8:56] Student18 UTexas: Hello Blueballs

[8:56] Student15 UTexas is Online

[8:56] Student16 UTexas: Hello fellow Blueballer

[8:56] You: i hate this class

[8:57] Student16 UTexas: garr

[8:57] Student18 UTexas: Is this in the transcript

[8:57] You: who cares

[8:57] Student16 UTexas: Ellen, I saw your standup last night.

[8:57] Student18 UTexas: just wondering if we get credit for this

[8:57] Student1 UTexas is Online

[8:57] Student18 UTexas: last night?

[8:57] Student16 UTexas: Except it wasn't in color. Because Teddy doesnt' have a color telvision set

[8:58] Student18 UTexas: i was passed out on the bathroom floor last night

[8:58] Student16 UTexas: Ohhhhh Ellen.

[8:58] Student12 UTexas is Online

[8:59] Student2 UTexas is Online

[8:59] Student16 UTexas: /flex

[9:00] Student18 UTexas: Well

[9:00] Student6 UTexas is Online

[9:00] Student10 UTexas is Online

[9:00] Student5 UTexas is Online

[9:00] Student18 UTexas: How is everyone

[9:00] Student16 UTexas: Most excellent.

[9:00] Student18 UTexas: Ellen is not particularly mature

[9:01] You: Where are out esteemed companions?

[9:01] You: our*

[9:01] Student16 UTexas: I have taken care of them.

[9:01] Student9 UTexas is Online

[9:01] Student16 UTexas: So what is on the Agenda, Billy?

[9:01] You: .

[9:01] You: I'm not the leader

[9:01] Student18 UTexas: Aparently i can levitate

[9:02] Student16 UTexas: Was that a joke, Ms. Degeneres?

[9:02] You: Perhaps she is at a wedding again.

[9:02] Student18 UTexas: watch

[9:02] Student16 UTexas: That is lunatic!

[9:02] Student18 UTexas: Get lost!

[9:03] You: Good morning David.

[9:03] Student16 UTexas: David Matthews, how nice of you to join us.

[9:03] Student15 UTexas: thank you

[9:03] Student15 UTexas: It is nice to be at this nice glass table

[9:03] Student16 UTexas: Indeed.

[9:03] You: It is quite modern and unfamiliar to me.

[9:03] Student16 UTexas: Where is our leader?

[9:04] Student14 UTexas is Online

[9:04] Student16 UTexas: Does anyone else care for a cigar?

[9:04] Student18 UTexas: sure

[9:04] Student15 UTexas: No thanks teddy, i prefer the green.

[9:04] Student16 UTexas: Such a shame, David.

[9:04] Student18 UTexas: nevermind... i just quit smoiking

[9:04] Student15 UTexas: Eh, we are what we are.

[9:05] Student15 UTexas: It's out of my hands for now.

[9:05] Student16 UTexas: Have you considered Rehab?

[9:05] Student15 UTexas: Where is that fly cat Shobha?

[9:05] Student15 UTexas: I've been there, man.

[9:05] Student14 UTexas: im here sorry

[9:05] You: Good morning Shobha

[9:05] Student15 UTexas: HOW YOU DOIN THIS MORNIN?

[9:05] Student14 UTexas: okay

[9:05] Student18 UTexas: Good morning

[9:05] Student16 UTexas: Afternoon Shobha, how nice of you to join us?

[9:06] Student14 UTexas: Good Morning everyone

[9:06] Student16 UTexas: So, what's the agenda for today's meeting? I have to go hunt something with my bare hands in a few hours.

[9:06] Student14 UTexas: sorry i am late

[9:06] Student18 UTexas: its not noon yet?!?

[9:06] Student14 UTexas: So lets talk about the meaning of a leader

[9:06] Student14 UTexas: who wants to start

[9:06] Student14 UTexas: Okay

[9:06] Student14 UTexas: I will

[9:07] Student18 UTexas: kk

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: Man, I think Teddy should start. He was the leader of a big nation, eh?

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: That's coo.

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: Of course, and I shall.

[9:07] You: Yes, tell us about bein a leader, Teddy

[9:07] Student14 UTexas: To me, a leader is someone who others can emulate.

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: Or would you like to start us off, Shobha?

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: Shobha, you're a fly cat.

[9:07] Student14 UTexas: Just did, go ahead Teddy!

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: Precisely. therefore a leader must be strong for his people

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, yeah.

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: What if he ain't got people?

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: He must not falter in his decisions. He cannot be hesitant

[9:08] You: True, leaders must be brave and set a good example for their followers.

[9:08] Student16 UTexas: Then he will attract people with his charisma

[9:08] Student18 UTexas: That's what I believe in: leadership anyone can emulate. A down to earth example of how to live life

[9:08] Student14 UTexas: If he does not have people. than a leader should have conviction in his beliefs

[9:08] Student16 UTexas: Exactly.

[9:08] Student16 UTexas: There is no grey area.

[9:08] Student15 UTexas: Leaders have to find their own inspiration.

[9:08] Student14 UTexas: to answer your question Dave

[9:09] Student15 UTexas: Their true reflection. Somethin deep down inside of them. That's what others can emulate, man.

[9:09] Student14 UTexas: Yes

[9:09] Student16 UTexas: Bill, what is your poetic wishy wash on this?

[9:09] Student18 UTexas: True reflection!!! I like that

[9:09] Student14 UTexas: I also think that a good leader is someone who's actions follow their convictions.

[9:09] You: Indeed a leader is the most glorious thing o ne could aspire to be.

[9:09] Student15 UTexas: Bill, I wrote a song entitld that. You might like it.

[9:09] Student14 UTexas: Action is just as important as ideas

[9:10] You: But I would like to ask your opinion about leaders who fail, or who aren't loved by their people. Are they still leaders?

[9:10] Student16 UTexas: I concur Shobha, a leader must commit to something and not look back

[9:10] Student14 UTexas: This action is what creates a distinction between a visionary and a leader.

[9:10] Student16 UTexas: As long as the person stays true to him or her self, they are still their own leaders.

[9:10] Student14 UTexas: Let's talk about Shakespeare's question (are you number 17)?

[9:10] Student15 UTexas: True, and people don't have to necessarily love you to follow you.

[9:11] You: Yes

[9:11] Student16 UTexas: We cannot limit a leader to a group.

[9:11] Student15 UTexas: Like, damn, Bill - those frilly collars you wear are a little crazy for me. But you write some good stuff.

[9:11] Student14 UTexas: Hang on

[9:11] You: Thank you David.

[9:11] Student15 UTexas: Don't got to love them to follow them.

[9:11] Student14 UTexas: let's talk about the absence of a following.

[9:11] Student16 UTexas: I enjoy your song entitled, "Gravedigger," David.

[9:11] Student15 UTexas: Thanks, Ted.

[9:11] Student14 UTexas: Let's stop talking about Dave's awesome songs

[9:12] Student15 UTexas: "Find some inspiration, it's down deep inside of you. And in your situation, your whole life is ahead of you."

[9:12] Student14 UTexas: That's actually relevant

[9:12] Student15 UTexas: I thought that might be appropriate for the leadership forum we got goin on.

[9:12] Student14 UTexas: Yes.

[9:12] You: So are we all leaders for following our own inspiration?

[9:13] Student18 UTexas: That's the key: using your experiences and skills to lead others

[9:13] Student14 UTexas: But can inspiration not come from an external source?

[9:13] Student15 UTexas: It can come from both inside and out.

[9:13] Student14 UTexas: From others suffering?

[9:13] You: I agree

[9:13] Student16 UTexas: Yes. When all else fails, as long as we are true and committed to our own beliefs, we will be leaders.

[9:13] Student14 UTexas: What about leaders versus heroes?

[9:13] Student15 UTexas: We lead our body every which way every step we take. of course we're leaders.

[9:13] Student14 UTexas: Is a leader a hero?

[9:14] Student18 UTexas: we become heros when our leadership helps others

[9:14] Student14 UTexas: It seems to me that people think a hero is someone who's leadership has been successful

[9:14] Student16 UTexas: When we are finally able to see the product of our leadership, I believe that is what constitutes a hero.

[9:14] You: I think hero has more to do with how others perceive you

[9:14] You: You might be a leader to everyone, but not a Hero to everyone

[9:14] Student14 UTexas: okay explain that Will

[9:14] Student14 UTexas: okay

[9:14] Student15 UTexas: Life's like a desert: where does it go, and where does it begin? A hero's life has a place it's goin

[9:14] Student18 UTexas: hitler was a leader

[9:14] Student14 UTexas: So a hero is more subjective than a leader?

[9:15] Student16 UTexas: But Hitler was also seen as a Hero of his people.

[9:15] Student15 UTexas: Hitler was not a cool cat.

[9:15] You: Exactly

[9:15] Student14 UTexas: That's who i was thinking of...

[9:15] You: But he is not a hero to others, I hear. I don't know very much about him

[9:15] Student14 UTexas: so Hitler was a leader, not necessarily a hero to everyone

[9:15] You: He was after my time.

[9:15] Student16 UTexas: I admire his leadership capabilities. However, his character is questionable.

[9:15] Student14 UTexas: haha

[9:15] Student15 UTexas: He had weird facial hair, man.

[9:15] Student14 UTexas: I think that a leader must have certain attributes

[9:15] You: In my world, I think the Queen is both a leader and a hero

[9:16] Student14 UTexas: like they say, there are natural-born leaders

[9:16] You: She maintains a good rule of her people and is a strong person

[9:16] Student15 UTexas: And proof that a leader doesn't have to be foxy.

[9:16] Student14 UTexas: haha

[9:16] Student14 UTexas: definitely not foxy

[9:16] Student18 UTexas: rotfl

[9:16] Student15 UTexas: You don't have to love them to follow them.

[9:16] Student14 UTexas: But that doesn't make sense to me

[9:16] Student16 UTexas: What is that strange language you are speaking, Elleny?

[9:16] Student18 UTexas: lol

[9:16] Student14 UTexas: you have to believe in what yu are following right

[9:17] Student15 UTexas: Nah, nah.

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: you dont

[9:17] You: The minds of the people are easily swayed.

[9:17] Student15 UTexas: Consider the situation we got goin on in this dem-ocracy we got.

[9:17] Student14 UTexas: You don't have to believe in what you follow?

[9:17] Student16 UTexas: There is a fine line between leadership and manipulation.

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: not at all

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: it might make you more effective

[9:17] Student14 UTexas: okay...but people should believe in what they follow

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: but there are many leaders who dont

[9:17] Student15 UTexas: Not everybody loves Mr. George Bush, but they follow him.

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: they should

[9:17] You: When Caesar was killed, he the people flocked to Brutus through his manipulation. However, when Antny took the stage they immediately switched to follow him.

[9:18] Student14 UTexas: then i would not consider them a true leader if they don't have conviction in their beliefs

[9:18] You: Are Brutus and Antony leaders?

[9:18] Student16 UTexas: Who is this Bush? He sounds like a controversial man.

[9:18] You: Indeed he does.

[9:18] Student15 UTexas: Nowadays though, peple are still just as easily swayed, but the circumstances have changed. You can't just go killin your leaders now.

[9:18] Student18 UTexas: how can one tell if a historical figure truely believes in what they said he or she believed in

[9:18] Student14 UTexas: Is anyone who has a following a leader? that sounds like a base definition of a leader

[9:18] Student18 UTexas: sure you can

[9:18] Student16 UTexas: You must see it in their actions.

[9:18] Student18 UTexas: look abroad

[9:19] Student16 UTexas: I enjoy nature. That is why I established numerous national parks and wild life preserves.

[9:19] Student18 UTexas: there have been assasinations in the US too

[9:19] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, yeah. but it's not the kosher thing to do.

[9:19] Student14 UTexas: haha

[9:19] Student16 UTexas: I have been informed of an instance where a young charismatic man by the name the Kennedy was assassinated.

[9:19] You: Such strange language in you modern fellows.

[9:19] Student15 UTexas: We all caught up in administravia now, man.

[9:19] Student14 UTexas: okay, but what are you getting at ellen?

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: i dont know

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: i forgot

[9:20] Student15 UTexas: She had a big weekend, Shob.

[9:20] You: Would the men who assassinated Presidents be heroes then?

[9:20] Student16 UTexas: Indeed, I caught a glimpse on my picture screen!

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: i am still recovering from that brutal snake attack

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: those shadows are viscious

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: They might be considered leaders, but heroes? That's scary. That's halloween stuff.

[9:21] Student16 UTexas: They are their own leaders.

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, yeah.

[9:21] Student18 UTexas: if a man (or woman) is a hero is entirely subjective

[9:21] Student14 UTexas: so i think we are agreeing then that leaders are anyone who has a following

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: or they're leading themselves.

[9:21] Student18 UTexas: true

[9:21] Student14 UTexas: whereas a hero is up for debate

[9:21] You: Indeed,

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: hero is all sorts of quesion marks.

[9:22] Student14 UTexas: so we are not making it sound difficult to become a hero

[9:22] Student14 UTexas: i mean a leader

[9:22] Student16 UTexas: There are numerous definitions of what a Hero ought to be.

[9:22] Student14 UTexas: it sounds like i can declare myself a leader

[9:22] Student15 UTexas: A hero has to emerge successfully, baby.

[9:22] Student18 UTexas: I love you Shakesphere

[9:22] Student16 UTexas: Well, you have done a mighty fine job leading us, Shobha.

[9:22] Student15 UTexas: Pop out of that soul cocoon.

[9:22] Student18 UTexas: and Teddy, please dont hit me

[9:22] Student14 UTexas: okay, and a leader just has to believe in himself and his cause

[9:23] Student15 UTexas: And he's got to find that inspiration.

[9:23] Student16 UTexas: Becareful, Ellen.

[9:23] You: Quite a well directed conversation we have had.

[9:23] Student14 UTexas: okay well since we only have a few minutes left in this amazing discussion does anyone have any final thoughts that are on topic?

[9:23] Student18 UTexas: I still dont believe that a leader has to belive in his or her cause

[9:23] Student14 UTexas: just himself?

[9:23] You: Do you not believe in your cause?

[9:23] Student18 UTexas: or even himself

[9:24] Student14 UTexas: than what?

[9:24] You: I don't think they would be a true leader without true convictions

[9:24] Student14 UTexas: yes

[9:24] Student16 UTexas: Then what will label him as a leader?

[9:24] Student14 UTexas: i concur

[9:24] Student15 UTexas: If you don't have a cause and you just wanderin' round aimlessly, you no kind of leader at all.

[9:24] Student18 UTexas: People lead simply for the powerr

[9:24] Student15 UTexas: We gotta go, babies.

[9:24] Student14 UTexas: it is a question of power

[9:24] Student18 UTexas: in many cases

[9:24] You: Well farewell my friends.

[9:24] Student14 UTexas: okay thanks for coming

[9:24] Student16 UTexas: Good day, gentleman and ladies.

[9:24] Student18 UTexas: goodbye

[9:24] Student15 UTexas: GOOD NIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

[9:24] Student14 UTexas: i know you all have very busy lives!

[9:24] Student14 UTexas: Good afternoon

[9:26] You: God'den good day, my fellow Bill.

[9:26] Student6 UTexas: hellow shakespear

[9:26] Student11 UTexas: Hello everyone

[9:26] Student11 UTexas: This table is quite large

[9:27] You: Yes, let's sit closer together

[9:27] Student6 UTexas: yes, lets move to sit closer

[9:28] You: Well, shall we begin?

[9:28] Student11 UTexas: certainly

[9:29] Student1 UTexas: Your that Ben Jonson dude! Thatsmy dude right there!

[9:29] You: Our subect today is "What is the relationship between leadership and compsasion?"

[9:29] Student1 UTexas: Ben Jonson is the crunkest!

[9:29] Student11 UTexas: Should we first introduce ourselves?

[9:29] You: Good idea.

[9:29] You: My name is William Shakeseare.

[9:29] Student11 UTexas: Hello, William. I'm George.

[9:30] You: **************

[9:30] Student1 UTexas: Diplodocus aka Wes Gully aka 1/2 of Hollertronix aka DIPLO MAD DECENT 2007!

[9:30] You: ...indeed.

[9:30] Student1 UTexas: What's real?

[9:30] Student11 UTexas: haha rad

[9:30] Student11 UTexas: nothing is real

[9:30] You: And Student 6?

[9:30] Student6 UTexas: hello

[9:31] Student1 UTexas: BJ your colar i about the pimpest ish I've ever seen

[9:31] Student6 UTexas: my name is bill gates

[9:31] You: Welcome everyone.

[9:31] Student1 UTexas: Man, Bill fix my laptop

[9:31] Student6 UTexas: i am the founder and chairman of microsoft

[9:31] Student1 UTexas: That beast has been getting a blue screen

[9:31] Student6 UTexas: and founder of the bill and melinda gates fondation

[9:31] Student1 UTexas: That ish is wack

[9:31] Student6 UTexas: who is 11

[9:31] You: Well I'm not sure what everyone's accomplishments are, but I'm sure they are quite distinguished.

[9:31] Student1 UTexas: My laptop is busted

[9:31] Student6 UTexas: thanks diplo

[9:31] Student1 UTexas: Bill, help me on this

[9:32] Student6 UTexas: we keep falling asleep in our cairs

[9:32] Student6 UTexas: *chairs

[9:32] You: Now, let's discuss how compassion has an influence on our leadership ability

[9:32] You: Would anyne like to begin?

[9:32] Student6 UTexas: sure

[9:32] Student1 UTexas: You gots to love errbody

[9:32] Student11 UTexas: it is my opinion that compassion defines our leadership ability. without love and compassion, our efforts are meaningless.

[9:32] Student1 UTexas: If you gonna be bout it be trill bout it

[9:33] Student11 UTexas: haha yes i suppose that follows.

[9:33] You: Would you like to elborate, George?

[9:33] You: elaborate

[9:33] Student6 UTexas: for example, i would consider myself a leader, both compassionate in business and in the world

[9:33] You: So are you saying that one cannot be a leader without compassion?

[9:33] Student1 UTexas: This laptop aint compassionate

[9:33] Student11 UTexas: We must transcend the adversity that the material world imposes on us to reach a state of pure compassion.

[9:33] Student6 UTexas: no

[9:33] Student1 UTexas: Be shutting down in the middle of sets

[9:33] Student6 UTexas: hitler was a leader

[9:33] Student6 UTexas: ken lay was a leader

[9:34] Student1 UTexas: Hitler was some wack ish

[9:34] Student6 UTexas: i think using that power and skill as a leader and channeling it to a good cause is a hero

[9:34] Student6 UTexas: or role model

[9:34] Student11 UTexas: After this, our love will flow easier and more profusely and we are able to help in a more effective way

[9:34] You: My last conversation turned to the topic of this Hitler. I gather he was a strange fellow indeed.

[9:34] Student6 UTexas: leader + compassion = hero or leader

[9:34] Student6 UTexas: *hero or role model

[9:34] You: Ah, so to be a ROLE MODEL one must be compassionate.

[9:34] Student1 UTexas: You gotta be on that love tip, or its no good

[9:34] Student1 UTexas: Thats real talk

[9:34] You: But you don't need compassion to simpy be a leader?

[9:35] Student6 UTexas: no, i don' tthink so

[9:35] Student11 UTexas: no, one can lead down a path of unfulfillment

[9:35] Student6 UTexas: many business leaders are heartless

[9:35] Student1 UTexas: You cold be leadin people to some bad functions

[9:35] Student11 UTexas: they lead to destruction

[9:35] Student6 UTexas: and only care about the bottom line

[9:35] You: I see

[9:35] Student6 UTexas: granted, they are not good leaders

[9:35] Student6 UTexas: but leaders none the less because they have authority

[9:35] You: So our compassion is a way to decide the quality of leadership

[9:35] Student1 UTexas: Who cares about some authority

[9:35] Student6 UTexas: yes

[9:35] Student11 UTexas: they may be effecive in their own goals, but they fail to ever know true joy

[9:35] Student1 UTexas: That's on a messed up joint right there

[9:36] You: So how have you used compassion to make yourselves better leaders?

[9:36] Student11 UTexas: it is more than compassion, it is love that defines a leader. compassion is a byproduct of love.

[9:37] Student1 UTexas: I just gotta be there with em man

[9:37] Student1 UTexas: Tap into that unity supply

[9:37] Student1 UTexas: Put it in yo pocket

[9:37] Student6 UTexas: i am compassionate because i have channed my skills to a good cause

[9:37] You: I agree, it is important to feel unity with one's fellow man.

[9:37] Student1 UTexas: You gotta be there

[9:37] Student1 UTexas: BE THERE

[9:37] Student11 UTexas: yes, by being in the moment. by connecting into the collective unconscieous and sharing the universal love.

[9:37] You: What do you mean by "BE THERE", Diplo?

[9:37] Student6 UTexas: i am stepping down from microsoft daily operations and i am taking up things at my foundation

[9:38] You: Ah, thank you George

[9:38] Student1 UTexas: You can't just sned somebody some scratch

[9:38] Student1 UTexas: Just chilling with em is the best

[9:38] Student11 UTexas: sned?

[9:38] Student6 UTexas: send

[9:38] Student1 UTexas: Better than all your dough

[9:38] You: So Bill, you are compassionate by donating money and time? Does that match up to Diplo's definition?

[9:38] Student1 UTexas: Naw man

[9:38] Student1 UTexas: You ain't felt their pain

[9:38] Student6 UTexas: well, i don't think we should compare compassion

[9:39] Student6 UTexas: diplo, you make music, i donate money and time and energy and effor

[9:39] Student1 UTexas: No babies be having only one lip in your hood

[9:39] Student11 UTexas: i am confident Bill has suffered the trials of life

[9:39] You: I'm just trying to work out a definition of how compassion influences leadership

[9:39] Student6 UTexas: we all express ourselves in differnt ways

[9:39] Student1 UTexas: Nah man

[9:39] You: You both use your compassion in different ways

[9:39] Student1 UTexas: You can tell when someone is tril

[9:39] Student1 UTexas: The trillest aint no Bill Gates

[9:39] Student11 UTexas: their love shines through

[9:40] You: Yes, I can see the love in Bill and his Wife's dedication to their cause

[9:40] Student1 UTexas: My laptops all wonky too

[9:40] Student6 UTexas: i enjoy business. that's why i established microsoft

[9:40] Student6 UTexas: diplo, you have a mac

[9:40] Student11 UTexas: just because Bill was successful and is in the spotlight does not necessarily detract from his heroic qualities.

[9:40] Student1 UTexas: GarageBand is some wack software

[9:40] Student6 UTexas: i agree with george

[9:40] Student11 UTexas: he had a natural skill that he utilized for the greater good.

[9:40] Student1 UTexas: I'm analog

[9:40] Student1 UTexas: But I got that PC for MySpace jawns

[9:40] You: Diplo, let's focus on leadershi and not your laptop

[9:41] Student11 UTexas: you too, Diplo, have a skill that you have used to share love

[9:41] You: leadership*

[9:41] Student6 UTexas: yes, please

[9:41] Student1 UTexas: It's whatever, mangs

[9:41] You: I think sharing our love through our different outlets makes us better leaders.

[9:41] Student6 UTexas: i have channeled my leadership skills to a good cause

[9:41] Student6 UTexas: like shakespeare has inspired other writers

[9:41] Student1 UTexas: It's about that realness factor

[9:41] Student1 UTexas: You can feel it

[9:42] Student6 UTexas: i disagree iwht diplo

[9:42] Student1 UTexas: I know ole b. Johnson feels me

[9:42] Student6 UTexas: b/c dead people can still be leaders

[9:42] Student11 UTexas: its emotional and spiritual. it leads others to finding themselves, finding their own path.

[9:42] Student6 UTexas: no?

[9:42] You: True.

[9:42] Student1 UTexas: What dead leader you chilling with?

[9:42] Student6 UTexas: shakespeare

[9:42] Student1 UTexas: Jonson right there!

[9:42] You: And George

[9:43] Student11 UTexas: even in death our spirit of compassionite perserveres

[9:43] You: Yes, I think it is often the most remembered aspect of a person

[9:43] Student1 UTexas: Yeah, realness overcomes

[9:43] Student1 UTexas: That's on a gangsta tip right there

[9:43] You: It completely influences the views of the future on their lives

[9:43] Student6 UTexas: leaving a legacy is important

[9:43] Student6 UTexas: spuring others to compassion

[9:43] Student1 UTexas: My man Disco D is still bringing the hottness from the grave

[9:43] Student11 UTexas: a legacy of love, not of material wealth or notoriety

[9:43] Student6 UTexas: yes, i agree

[9:43] You: Right

[9:43] Student1 UTexas: That's trill, mangs

[9:44] Student6 UTexas: i'm not leaving my childern a large inheritance

[9:44] You: So I think we can say that one can be a leader without compassion, but not a hero or rolemodel

[9:44] Student6 UTexas: i'm planning on donating it all

[9:44] You: It's msot important to channel our love to others

[9:44] Student6 UTexas: they need to work hard themselves

[9:44] Student6 UTexas: and find their own compassion

[9:44] You: ANy final thoughts?

[9:44] Student6 UTexas: compassion is expressed in many ways

[9:44] Student1 UTexas: Lets stay real

[9:44] Student11 UTexas: love is the only thing that is real

[9:45] Student1 UTexas: Like that Lil Scrappy jawn

[9:45] Student6 UTexas: through time, love, money, dedication, etc

[9:45] You: Alright gentlemen, thank you for your time!

[9:45] Student11 UTexas: namaste

[9:45] Student6 UTexas: adios

[9:45] Student1 UTexas: Keep it the realest

[9:45] Student6 UTexas: diplo, take your laptop to steve jobs

[9:45] Student1 UTexas: Man, yous on some non-fixing ish

[9:45] Student6 UTexas: who is charging 500 for the iphone

[9:45] Student1 UTexas: Man Bump an iPhone

[9:46] Student6 UTexas: it seems like anything with an I makes it fancy

[9:46] Student6 UTexas: hahahaha

[9:46] Student11 UTexas: materialism

[9:46] Student11 UTexas: these are mere objects

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Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:46

Author: Sanders, Margaret <msanders@mail.utexas.edu>

Subject: Second discussion - Rug - 11:30-11:45 Moderator: Goethe

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[9:30] Student5 UTexas: are you speaking to me?

[9:30] Student15 UTexas: Mhm.

[9:31] You: So, in this discussion, we are supposed to discuss the relationship between leadership and compassion

[9:31] Student3 UTexas: Goethe, would you like to start things off?

[9:31] Student5 UTexas: Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu

[9:31] You: We've discussed both of these topics quite extensively in class

[9:31] Student3 UTexas: Yes

[9:31] Student5 UTexas: say thats three times fast

[9:31] Student18 UTexas: So, did you all watch the Oscars??

[9:31] You: So does anyone have a particular aspect of this topic they'd like to discuss?

[9:31] Student15 UTexas: I was recording another platinum album, my bad.

[9:31] Student5 UTexas: there is not a tv in my home for the fying

[9:31] Student5 UTexas: *dying

[9:32] Student3 UTexas: Well, to what extnet is there a connection between leadership and compassion?

[9:32] Student18 UTexas: depends

[9:32] Student15 UTexas: Compassion makes a good leader

[9:32] Student18 UTexas: it is def. a good thing

[9:32] You: I think compassion is not an essential part of being a leader

[9:32] Student3 UTexas: in all situations?

[9:32] Student15 UTexas: a good leader that is actually loved and admired by his people, his folks.

[9:32] Student5 UTexas: i believe it should be essential but sadly many times great leaders lack compassion

[9:32] Student18 UTexas: It makes an honest leader

[9:32] You: Because there haveobviously been good and bad leaders

[9:32] Student18 UTexas: but there have been effective leaders without apparent compassion

[9:33] Student15 UTexas: Compassion would stop our leaders from sendin our lil boys off to war.

[9:33] Student5 UTexas: so must they have compassion to be a good leader?

[9:33] Student3 UTexas: Hitler was loved by many of his follower, they felt he was doing the right thing, was he compassionate?

[9:33] Student18 UTexas: not nesisarily

[9:33] Student15 UTexas: They can be effective, but maybe not a good leader.

[9:33] Student18 UTexas: i believe he was

[9:33] Student15 UTexas: Compassionate can determine your long-term success.

[9:33] You: A good leader?

[9:33] Student3 UTexas: Before my pilgrimage I fought for the seperationi of black and white, would you consider me compassionate?

[9:33] Student5 UTexas: so perhaps we need to define a "good" leader

[9:33] You: Yes

[9:33] Student18 UTexas: i can believe hitler had compassion

[9:33] Student3 UTexas: that is a good point matthews

[9:33] Student5 UTexas: differentiate it from an "effective" leader

[9:34] Student18 UTexas: so what is a good leader?

[9:34] Student18 UTexas: if not effective?

[9:34] Student18 UTexas: a virtuous leaser?

[9:34] Student15 UTexas: People will remember my girl Agnes for quite some time as bein a good compassionate leader

[9:34] Student3 UTexas: a good leader as in a just, moral leader?

[9:34] Student15 UTexas: Others of us, maybe not so much.

[9:34] Student15 UTexas: a sensible, sincere one too.

[9:34] Student5 UTexas: well thank you

[9:35] You: Whose actions help others in some way or another

[9:35] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, yeah.

[9:35] Student3 UTexas: all others?

[9:35] Student15 UTexas: Cause this world is crazy. But we got to take care of each other.

[9:35] Student15 UTexas: We're all connected, so a good leader keeps this in mind.

[9:35] You: How so

[9:36] Student15 UTexas: We're all human beings. A leader makes decisions for his people, good leaders make decisions for more than just a group of constituents or somethin.

[9:36] Student3 UTexas: how are we all connected? Must everyone benefit from a leader in order for the leader to be effective?

[9:36] You: Effective or good?

[9:36] Student18 UTexas: not nessisarily

[9:36] Student15 UTexas: Effective, no.

[9:36] Student15 UTexas: Effective implies they're doin their part for that immediate circle.

[9:36] Student5 UTexas: it is impossible to impact everyone

[9:36] Student3 UTexas: There have been some successful leaders that have brought good to some at the expense of others

[9:36] Student18 UTexas: or that they simply influence others

[9:37] Student3 UTexas: is an ineffective leader even a leader, ten?

[9:37] Student5 UTexas: i dont believe that i have ever thought that determining leaders was such a controversial subject

[9:37] Student18 UTexas: no

[9:37] Student15 UTexas: They might be. They're leadin themselves, at least.

[9:37] Student18 UTexas: but does that qualify as a leader

[9:38] Student3 UTexas: One cannot lead without followers, fi they lead themselves, they are nothing more than an idealist

[9:38] Student5 UTexas: agreed

[9:38] You: Oh I disagree

[9:38] Student15 UTexas: You gots to lead yourself before you can lead others. t's a start, at least.

[9:38] Student18 UTexas: A start, but still does not make you a leader

[9:38] You: It is entirely possible to lead without having an immediate group of followers, or a cause

[9:38] You: I agree with Dave in that respect

[9:38] Student3 UTexas: how so?

[9:38] Student5 UTexas: well what is then considered leading youself?

[9:38] Student18 UTexas: true, but the def. of leader is that you lead others

[9:38] You: Or that others follow your example?

[9:39] Student15 UTexas: Gotta look outside of webster's, ellen.

[9:39] Student18 UTexas: its a start

[9:39] You: Can we bring compassion back into our definition?

[9:39] Student18 UTexas: but leading one's self is not what we are talking about

[9:39] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, definition of a good leader. Instead of just a leader.

[9:39] Student3 UTexas: Yes, that s what our discussion is about isn't it

[9:39] Student5 UTexas: can we all agree that an ideal leader would possess compassion?

[9:40] Student15 UTexas: sure is

[9:40] You: Yes

[9:40] Student18 UTexas: sure

[9:40] Student3 UTexas: So, must one be an compassionate to be an effective leader?

[9:40] Student18 UTexas: no

[9:40] Student5 UTexas: to be a good leader

[9:40] Student18 UTexas: effective, no

[9:40] Student18 UTexas: virtuous, yes

[9:40] Student15 UTexas: No, we're talkin bout being a good leader though.

[9:40] Student15 UTexas: Those cats have compassion.

[9:40] Student5 UTexas: there are effective leaders who lead in order to better themselves

[9:40] Student5 UTexas: they have no compassion

[9:40] Student18 UTexas: lets not use the word good. it is too ambiguous

[9:40] Student3 UTexas: so a good leader would bring peace and happiness to those that follow?

[9:41] Student3 UTexas: excuse me, a righteous leader

[9:41] Student15 UTexas: maybe not happiness in all forms. maybe not like some material forms. but otherwise.

[9:41] Student5 UTexas: righteous sounds a little over zealous

[9:41] You: Perhaps not happiness, that also sounds a little too general

[9:42] You: Perhaps following the example of a leader lends meaning to the followers' lives?

[9:42] Student15 UTexas: Their inspiration, yea.

[9:42] Student15 UTexas: So a "good" leader inspires others to be more compassionate in their own lives.

[9:42] Student15 UTexas: through their example.

[9:42] Student5 UTexas: i can agree with that

[9:43] Student15 UTexas: thats what can distinguish them from merely effective leaders

[9:43] You: I think leaders can do more than make others compassionate

[9:43] Student3 UTexas: i agree as well, if we agree that the connotation of good is morality

[9:43] Student18 UTexas: That would be a good example of a "good" leader

[9:43] Student15 UTexas: yeah yea. thats not the definition of a leader.

[9:43] Student15 UTexas: its an attribte of a great one.,

[9:43] Student18 UTexas: but there are other ways of being a "good" leader too

[9:43] You: Perhaps they require compassion in order to inspire others?

[9:44] Student15 UTexas: cause you have to connect to them in some means in order to inspire them

[9:44] You: So that compassion isn't an end product, but rather a part in the process?

[9:44] Student15 UTexas: connection implies some basis of compassion.

[9:44] Student5 UTexas: my poor old eyes are having a trouble of a time reading this screen

[9:44] Student3 UTexas: Perhaps a leader with compassion give people from other groups little reason for contempt

[9:44] Student18 UTexas: It may help to inpire others but I would not go as far to say that it is required in all cases

[9:44] Student5 UTexas: agree

[9:44] Student15 UTexas: but movin the people is facilitated by some compassion.

[9:45] Student15 UTexas: makes them more willing to follow.

[9:45] Student18 UTexas: Well, nice talking to you all

[9:45] Student18 UTexas: Watch my show

[9:45] Student15 UTexas: it's time for an exodus

[9:45] You: Nice discussion all

[9:45] Student3 UTexas: Indeed, thank you for the conversation, my brothers and sisters

[9:45] Student15 UTexas: ja, nice talking to YOU

[9:45] Student5 UTexas: please remember to care for those in need

[9:45] Student15 UTexas: GOODNIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

[9:46] Student15 UTexas: You've been good!

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Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:47

Author: Jones, Amanda <amanda.jones@bba06.mccombs.utexas.edu>

Subject: The Campfire - Session 2

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[9:26] Student2 UTexas: Hello everyone!

[9:27] Student8 UTexas: Hi. Who are your?

[9:27] You: could student2 adjust where they're sitting

[9:27] Student2 UTexas: I am Joe Giardina, I husband, grandpa, and hardworking Catholic man

[9:27] Student13 UTexas: I am oprah winfrey

[9:27] You: hold on, everyone

[9:27] Student14 UTexas: Hello

[9:27] You: joe, could you move to the log, please?

[9:28] You: thanks, tha's much easier to see!

[9:28] Student2 UTexas: Who is this hot mamma next to me?

[9:28] Student14 UTexas: My name is Shobha

[9:28] Student2 UTexas: Well hello Shabba

[9:28] Student2 UTexas: My name is Joe

[9:29] Student13 UTexas: Hello everyone

[9:29] Student14 UTexas: Hi Joe

[9:29] Student13 UTexas: I am Oprah

[9:29] Student14 UTexas: if I wasn't married

[9:29] Student8 UTexas: I'm Saint Columba. Greetings

[9:29] Student14 UTexas: hahaha just joking my good man

[9:29] Student14 UTexas: OPRAH!

[9:29] Student14 UTexas: I've always wanted to meet you!

[9:29] Student14 UTexas: I am a huge fan!

[9:29] Student2 UTexas: Oh my wife loves Oprah!

[9:29] Student13 UTexas: oh thank you so much!

[9:30] You: Alright, everyone, i'm going to start our chat officially nw

[9:30] You: xxxxxxxxxxx

[9:30] You: Welcome to the campfire

[9:30] Student14 UTexas: Hello

[9:30] Student2 UTexas: Thank you very much, who is everyone?

[9:30] Student14 UTexas: My name is Shobha

[9:30] Student8 UTexas: Oprah, I think you came after my time, but Pleased to meet you

[9:30] You: my name is kenneth peters, i'm a youth director from houston

[9:30] Student13 UTexas: Hello, I am Oprah Winfrey

[9:30] Student14 UTexas: Oprah!

[9:30] Student14 UTexas: WOW!

[9:31] Student14 UTexas: i love your

[9:31] Student14 UTexas: work

[9:31] Student2 UTexas: I am Joe Giardina, A father, granfdather, husband, and hardworking Catholic man

[9:31] Student13 UTexas: thank you, thank you

[9:31] Student8 UTexas: I am Columb, later appointed Saint Columba

[9:31] Student14 UTexas: Nice to meet you all

[9:31] Student2 UTexas: Oprah. my wife loves your show!

[9:31] Student13 UTexas: oh that's so good to hear

[9:31] Student2 UTexas: Nice to meed you are well

[9:31] You: alright, well let's start our discussion for the session

[9:31] Student14 UTexas: Yes Oprah, your philanthropy is amazing, I model my own volunteer work after you.

[9:31] Student13 UTexas: lets

[9:32] Student13 UTexas: well that is my goal

[9:32] You: we've all discussed what it means to be a leader, but do you need to be a compassionate person in order to be a leader?

[9:32] Student14 UTexas: I make my daugther watch your show all the time

[9:32] Student13 UTexas: to not only do good in all the ways i can bt also inspire others to do good in the world

[9:32] Student8 UTexas: Seven, I could be wrong, but I think you are muted. I can't hear anything you say

[9:32] Student13 UTexas: i believe you do

[9:33] Student13 UTexas: what differentiates hitler from mother teresa, both great leaders

[9:33] You: is this better, 8?

[9:33] Student2 UTexas: I do not consider myself a leader, But I would hope that others see e full of compassion. I attribute my ability to lead a good, righeous life to Jesus and secondly my family

[9:33] Student13 UTexas: it is the love and compassion they have for bettering the lives of others

[9:33] Student14 UTexas: Compassion seems to be something necessary in becoming not just a leader, but a good leader

[9:33] Student8 UTexas: Yes, I agree

[9:34] Student2 UTexas: Although in most eyes, Hitler was not full of compassion whatsoever, t his people he did what was right and they respet hime for that

[9:34] You: when we say 'good' do we mean 'moral' or 'effective'?

[9:34] Student8 UTexas: We need to pass on our love to the hurting, lost world

[9:34] Student14 UTexas: I think everyone is born with compassion, but those who channel it and use it to the advantage of others can create a powerful force on someone's life and in this way, can become a leader.

[9:34] Student2 UTexas: I guess we would be sayingmoral

[9:34] Student13 UTexas: well Hitler was quite effective in reacing his goals

[9:34] You: yes, he was

[9:34] Student2 UTexas: but he was not moarl

[9:34] Student8 UTexas: I think we mean both moral and effective, for both are needed to inspire a following in most cases

[9:34] Student2 UTexas: *moral

[9:34] Student13 UTexas: so it is a question of the motive of our actions

[9:34] Student14 UTexas: Hitler as an effective leader, but he did not act out of compassion, but out of hatred

[9:34] Student14 UTexas: Motive is key.

[9:35] Student8 UTexas: Hitler made himself out to be the new version of moral.

[9:35] You: very good point, 8

[9:35] Student14 UTexas: It's not necessarily moral

[9:35] Student14 UTexas: because morality is completely subjective

[9:35] You: hitler beleived he was following a moral code

[9:35] Student2 UTexas: I think it a question of our actions themseves and the motif behind them, although not visible to others directly, is important in being a moral leader

[9:35] You: and many people agreed with him

[9:35] Student13 UTexas: hitler had compassion for his country germany

[9:35] Student14 UTexas: Hitler did not have compassion for the human race.

[9:35] Student13 UTexas: he wanted to make it the best country for his people

[9:36] Student8 UTexas: Or at least a strong enough desire to feign compassion and thus gain support

[9:36] Student13 UTexas: this is true

[9:36] Student13 UTexas: we can never differentiate why deserves what among the human race

[9:36] Student2 UTexas: It depends on who your talk to, to many hitler is a hero but to most others,he in an enemy, the devil in disguise

[9:36] Student14 UTexas: A leader does not have to practice compassion

[9:36] Student13 UTexas: there isn't a single being who has this right

[9:36] You: so, even if it wasn't for the human race as a whole, even hitler showed compassion towards SOMEONE (in this case Germany)

[9:37] Student8 UTexas: No, a leader doesn't need compassion, but to remain a leader throughout time, he does need comapssion.

[9:37] Student13 UTexas: i believe in helping ALL and try to reach out to all types of people in need of hope in my work

[9:37] You: would a leader really gain a following if he didn't show ANY compassion whasoever?

[9:37] Student2 UTexas: I do not think leading as actually about how you go about doing it,it is dwelt in tht fact that people see you as inspiring when you are doing it

[9:37] Student14 UTexas: I think a hero needs compassion, not a leader

[9:37] Student13 UTexas: well to insipre others compassion is needed

[9:37] Student14 UTexas: I agree with Joe

[9:37] Student14 UTexas: A leader is simply someone who has a following.

[9:38] Student13 UTexas: because we are all innately compassion, this is what inspires us the strongest

[9:38] You: Why would anyone follow someone who cared nothign for them?

[9:38] Student2 UTexas: BEing a leader is about doing that "right think" in somoenes eyes all of the time, even whn noone is watching

[9:38] Student14 UTexas: Right, I think compassion is an effective way to lead, but it is definitely not the only means to leading.

[9:38] Student13 UTexas: it is the result of leading in many cases

[9:38] You: i agree that it is not the only aspect of leading

[9:38] Student14 UTexas: Compassion is simply then a means to leading.

[9:38] Student13 UTexas: leaders can inspire others to BE compassionate

[9:38] Student14 UTexas: yes

[9:39] Student8 UTexas: I think that is more of a hero, not so much a leader. Almost anyone can force themself into a leadership role at least temporarily

[9:39] Student2 UTexas: leading must be done by example, for if you do not leave a life od goodness how can you lead others to do so?

[9:39] Student14 UTexas: but compassion is not a necessary ingredient

[9:39] Student13 UTexas: this is true

[9:39] Student8 UTexas: But there are many compassionate people who are not leaders.

[9:39] Student2 UTexas: It depends on what tye of people you ar sopposed to lead

[9:39] Student14 UTexas: But now we are talking about good versus bad leaders

[9:39] You: but an effective leader will be one whose followers are devoted to them, and for that they must have compassion to inspire such devotion

[9:39] You: let's use the word 'effective'

[9:39] Student13 UTexas: but those leaders do not INSPIRE people tey only instigate fear among their followers

[9:39] Student2 UTexas: Yes, compassion and leadership are very different but anyone that I would ever consider a leader would have to encompass both

[9:39] Student8 UTexas: I feel more that a leader must have internal peace and compassion and then he will be remembered through the ages.

[9:39] You: so as not to get confused between 'moral' and 'immoral'

[9:40] Student8 UTexas: As a good person

[9:40] Student2 UTexas: It is all relative

[9:40] Student13 UTexas: Hitler may have had followers, but this was only because they feared him

[9:40] You: not everyone feared him

[9:40] Student14 UTexas: But alot of people believed in what he was saying

[9:40] You: especially in the beginning, his country loved im

[9:40] You: *him

[9:40] Student14 UTexas: and thought that he was leading "effectively"

[9:40] Student8 UTexas: Now we see him as a leader, but also s horrific person.

[9:40] Student2 UTexas: I condier myself to have good morals, but I havekilled a man in war before, so some from other place in the world may say that i am immoral

[9:41] Student2 UTexas: it has a lot to do with sef perception and intent

[9:41] Student14 UTexas: Exactly

[9:41] You: exactlygood point

[9:41] Student13 UTexas: MOTIVE

[9:41] Student2 UTexas: yes

[9:41] Student13 UTexas: this is the root of leadership

[9:41] Student8 UTexas: Morals are subjective,

[9:41] Student14 UTexas: So I thin kthat a leader is not something self-proclaimed, it is something that others must see in you and choose to follow.

[9:41] Student8 UTexas: So compassion must be one's motive?

[9:41] Student13 UTexas: yes

[9:41] Student14 UTexas: the best yuo can do is follow your own convictins

[9:41] You: compassion is what inspires others to follow

[9:41] Student13 UTexas: a leader is noticed by followers and then chosen by those followers to be a leader

[9:41] You: people follow those they love

[9:42] Student2 UTexas: that motive behind that action and the intent of the personpartaking in the action is what determins that "godness" fof the action in relation to the people involove

[9:42] You: and people love those who first love them

[9:42] Student14 UTexas: I don't think compassion is always a motive of a leader, but i think that the best leaders who do the most meaningful work have compassion as their backbone

[9:42] Student13 UTexas: the leaders motives are wrong when he/she prclaims themselves as a leader

[9:42] Student8 UTexas: good point.

[9:42] Student13 UTexas: this is selfish

[9:42] Student2 UTexas: this is true. butyou do not have to love someone who leads you

[9:42] Student14 UTexas: Yes

[9:42] Student8 UTexas: It helps

[9:42] Student14 UTexas: It does help but is not necessary

[9:42] You: i believe the most effective leaders are those who are really loved

[9:42] Student13 UTexas: the love from the leader flows to their followers

[9:42] Student14 UTexas: Just respect is necessary

[9:43] You: respect can be seen as a form of love

[9:43] Student13 UTexas: it can

[9:43] You: even a grudging one

[9:43] Student14 UTexas: You have to respect those you follow, you don't have to necessary love them

[9:43] Student14 UTexas: Okay

[9:43] Student2 UTexas: I do not know if i agree with the fact that leaders cannot know the are leaders, but i woudl say that the most effective leaders do not even k ow it

[9:43] Student14 UTexas: agreed

[9:43] Student13 UTexas: admiration

[9:43] Student8 UTexas: I feel like I don't even respect some of the kings of my land, but thery still lead well

[9:43] You: then you do have a least some respect

[9:43] You: for them

[9:43] Student14 UTexas: exactly

[9:43] Student2 UTexas: Respect is far different from leadership and compassion

[9:43] Student14 UTexas: if you tihnk they lead well then you have a reason to believe they are doing a good job

[9:43] Student8 UTexas: Yes. But they were born into the role. Never had to earn it

[9:44] Student2 UTexas: leadership is not expected and not praised, it is for ones own puroses of a need to follow

[9:44] Student14 UTexas: yes but if you think they rule well then yiu do have some reverence

[9:44] Student13 UTexas: they never choes that role

[9:44] Student13 UTexas: people chose it for them because of their inspiring actions

[9:44] Student8 UTexas: Exactly, but they know they are leaders!

[9:44] Student2 UTexas: we are are leaders at certain times to certain people and at the same time all people need others to lead

[9:44] Student8 UTexas: good point

[9:45] Student13 UTexas: but it isn't bec thy know they are leaaders that they act

[9:45] Student2 UTexas: some people do one or the other more often, but we all play both roles - leader and follower

[9:45] Student13 UTexas: they act to inspire others because of the influential postion they are in

[9:45] Student14 UTexas: a leader only lasts as long as his actions follow his beliefs

[9:45] Student2 UTexas: and I do now think that has anything to do with compassion

[9:45] Student2 UTexas: yes...beleifs are a goo dpoint

[9:45] Student14 UTexas: his motive could be power, and that could make him a leader

[9:45] Student2 UTexas: that goes back to the motofs we were talking about

[9:45] Student13 UTexas: it was nice meeting all of you

[9:45] Professor UTexas: Only connect. Be here now.

[9:45] Student2 UTexas: You all as well

[9:46] Student14 UTexas: i think that is key...motive

[9:46] Student2 UTexas: Have a great day

[9:46] Student13 UTexas: keep watching my show!

[9:46] You: alright, well we're wrapping up this session

[9:46] Student14 UTexas: Nice to meet you all!

[9:46] You: thanks for the discussion everyone!

[9:46] Student13 UTexas: bye bye

[9:46] Student8 UTexas: Peace to all. Farewell

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Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:47

Author: Dauterman, Mary <deegal@sbcglobal.net>

Subject: 2nd session: The Mountain

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[9:31] Student16 UTexas: Where is Warren?

[9:31] Student10 UTexas: I'm here

[9:31] Student16 UTexas: I cannot see you

[9:31] Student10 UTexas: Is my chat lagging?

[9:31] You: No

[9:31] Student10 UTexas: I'm sitting on the lower steps

[9:31] Student9 UTexas: So, keeping to the subject matter...

[9:32] Student9 UTexas: does a leader have to be compassionate necessarily?

[9:32] You: I think there are many examples of leaders that weren't compassionate

[9:32] Student9 UTexas: agreed

[9:32] You: the 1st one that comes to mind is Hitler

[9:32] Student16 UTexas: It is a very likely trait of a leader, but he does not need to have it to lead.

[9:32] You: he was definitely a leader, but not a role model or hero

[9:32] You: Some leaders are noble in that they are compassionate. Others are leaders purely by force

[9:33] Student16 UTexas: I believe that a leader is anyone who has a deep conviction about anything.

[9:33] Student10 UTexas: I think what all leaders have in common is the ability to inspire others, their "followers," to take action

[9:33] Student9 UTexas: maybe we should start by defining what exactly compassion is...?

[9:33] Student10 UTexas: to give others the opportunity to make a change

[9:33] You: love?

[9:33] Student16 UTexas: As long as he or she pursues a certain goal with commitment and fervor, he or she is a leader.

[9:33] Student9 UTexas: well then Hitler had love for his country and himself

[9:33] Student10 UTexas: but so that others may follow

[9:34] You: but not necessarily a compassionate leader

[9:34] Student16 UTexas: One may argue that Hitler had compassion for his people

[9:34] Student16 UTexas: A select few.

[9:34] Student9 UTexas: still argueable

[9:34] Student10 UTexas: the ones that he thought of as HIS people, yes

[9:34] You: do you all consider yourself compassionate individuals?

[9:35] Student9 UTexas: ok so if Hitler is out, then can we name a single leader that doesn't have compassion for SOMETHING

[9:35] Student9 UTexas: whether good or bad

[9:35] Student16 UTexas: Are we defining compassion as universal? Uninhibited?

[9:35] You: I suppose I see compassion in terms of compassion for peple

[9:35] You: people*

[9:35] Student10 UTexas: I don't think "compassion for the self" is truly compassion; it's more just a selfish drive

[9:35] You: but you can be compassionate for ideals, objects, places ect.

[9:35] Student16 UTexas: In a sense, I believe that a leader will always have a kind of personal compassion.

[9:36] You: now when i see compassion, i think "passion"

[9:36] Student16 UTexas: A kind of self-faith.

[9:36] Student9 UTexas: whatever the drive is, if it gets a person to act and take charge, I feel is a leader

[9:36] Student16 UTexas: I concur

[9:36] Student10 UTexas: I agree with that

[9:36] Student16 UTexas: a b c d e f h

[9:37] Student16 UTexas: Sorry, young Billy Gates was tampering with my chat machine.

[9:37] Student10 UTexas: fair enough

[9:37] You: anyways--compassion vs. passion

[9:37] You: let's discuss

[9:37] Student9 UTexas: Passion is what drives you

[9:37] Student9 UTexas: Compassion is what you can feel for another

[9:38] You: for another being, or an ideal?

[9:38] Student10 UTexas: it could be that same drive, but interpersonally

[9:38] Student16 UTexas: compassion usually deals with one or more people.

[9:38] Student10 UTexas: rather than intra

[9:38] Student9 UTexas: I am compassionate about Muslim women, but my passion is making a change in the status quo

[9:38] Student9 UTexas: *compassionate for

[9:38] Student16 UTexas: Then we are taking passion and just attaching Com to it

[9:38] Student16 UTexas: That seems to be a viable definition.

[9:38] Student10 UTexas: they both involve that drive to make a difference

[9:38] You: we were talking about hitler earlier, and someone said he had compassion for his country; does this mean the people within it, or the ideal of the country itself

[9:39] Student9 UTexas: The "com" part makes it applicable to something outside of the self

[9:39] Student10 UTexas: regardless of the morality of that difference

[9:39] Student16 UTexas: The ideal, of course.

[9:39] You: so that

[9:39] Student16 UTexas: Nonetheless, the country is another being.

[9:39] You: so that's an example of someone feeling compassion for something other than a physical person

[9:39] Student16 UTexas: Compassion is not restricted to merely people.

[9:40] You: ok

[9:40] Student9 UTexas: As long as it is something outside of the self

[9:40] Student10 UTexas: well, then how does one show compassion for an object?

[9:40] Student10 UTexas: or an ideal?

[9:40] Student9 UTexas: Compassion to the ideal of equality for women

[9:40] You: well an ideal would be, say, patriotism

[9:40] Student9 UTexas: in my case

[9:40] Student16 UTexas: They must show a deal of passion for it

[9:40] You: I feel compassion for the natural world

[9:40] Student10 UTexas: is that compassion, then necessarily?

[9:40] Student10 UTexas: or just passion

[9:40] Student16 UTexas: that passion can be in the form of focus, devotion, or love.

[9:41] Student10 UTexas: Hitler's ideal was a world without Jews

[9:41] Student10 UTexas: was that his compassion?

[9:41] Student10 UTexas: I would think it's just a passion

[9:41] You: i think his compassion was for patriotism

[9:41] Student16 UTexas: Morals aside, yes.

[9:41] Student9 UTexas: But his compassion was for "his" kind of people

[9:41] You: or his country

[9:41] Student9 UTexas: ie patriosm

[9:41] Student10 UTexas: what about objects, then?

[9:41] You: you can spin anything he did to sound positive or negative

[9:41] Student9 UTexas: that's the point of a discussion

[9:42] Student10 UTexas: how is that, exactly?

[9:42] Student16 UTexas: I am deeply compassionate about this stone slab I am sitting on.

[9:42] You: it is easy to love

[9:42] Student16 UTexas: It is easy to CLAIM to love.

[9:42] Student9 UTexas: So do leaders have to truly "love"?

[9:42] Student16 UTexas: So, what is the verdict, gentlemen and lady?

[9:42] You: in some way, yes

[9:42] Student9 UTexas: I mean how can you discern who's genuine?

[9:42] Student10 UTexas: you can't, really

[9:42] You: but we did decide leaders do not have to be compassionate

[9:43] You: they just have to be passionate

[9:43] Student16 UTexas: Yes.

[9:43] Student10 UTexas: it is the ideal, moral leader that should also be compassionate

[9:43] Student10 UTexas: key word being "ideal"

[9:43] Student9 UTexas: Passionate for a cause or some sort of change

[9:43] Student16 UTexas: No one is perfect. Take my bull-moose party for example.

[9:43] Student10 UTexas: blazing a trail for others to follow

[9:44] You: people will always follow leaders, but they aren't always worthy of it

[9:44] Student10 UTexas: very true

[9:44] Student16 UTexas: A leader does not necessarily have to have followers.

[9:44] Student10 UTexas: should we wrap up?

[9:44] Student16 UTexas: They can be there own followers.

[9:44] Student16 UTexas: their*

[9:44] Student9 UTexas: So a leader is someone who leads the way for others, but not necessarily through compassion

[9:45] You: si

[9:45] Student10 UTexas: but then others would not recognize them as a leader

[9:45] Student10 UTexas: if they just follow themselves

[9:45] You: then they are not a leader

[9:45] Student16 UTexas: They can acknowledge themselves. I am my own leader.

[9:45] Student10 UTexas: I agree with what Ayann said

[9:45] You: mentally, yes but physically, no

[9:45] Student10 UTexas: about how a leader must affect others

[9:45] Student10 UTexas: if not necessarily compassionately

[9:45] You: ADIOS

[9:45] Student16 UTexas: Good day, people.

[9:46] Student10 UTexas: Goodbye!

[9:47] Student8 UTexas: Greetings Everyone!

[9:47] Student16 UTexas: Greetings!

[9:47] Student5 UTexas: blessings to you all

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[9:47] Student17 UTexas: Good day

[9:48] You: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[9:48] Student7 UTexas is Offline

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[9:48] Student5 UTexas: who is every one? i am so isolated over in calcutta i do not know what all is going on

[9:48] You: Gentlemen and Teresa, we will begin this discussion with introductions.

[9:48] Student17 UTexas: My name is William Shakespeare.

[9:48] Student8 UTexas: I'm so far dead that I don't know who anyone is.

[9:48] Student12 UTexas: I am Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[9:48] Student8 UTexas: I am Columb, later sainted Saint Columba

[9:48] You: I am, of course, Theodore Roosevelt. Notice my large stick.

[9:49] Student5 UTexas: ahahahaha

[9:49] Student17 UTexas: I'm afraid I don't know any of you, you are after my time.

[9:49] Student5 UTexas: I am Mother Teresa

[9:49] Student8 UTexas: I think I was before your time.

[9:49] Student4 UTexas is Offline

[9:49] Student17 UTexas: Who are you?

[9:49] Student4 UTexas is Online

[9:49] Student5 UTexas: I think I am the youngest one dead

[9:50] You: Ok, now that we've established who's dead and who's not. What say we get to the nittygritty?

[9:50] Student17 UTexas: Let's

[9:50] Student8 UTexas: What is the nitty gritty?

[9:50] Student5 UTexas: sounds pleasant to me

[9:50] You: Is everyone aware of who's who?

[9:50] Student8 UTexas: yes

[9:50] You: Okay

[9:50] You: Then I pose this question to you all: What is the relationship between leadership and diversity?

[9:51] You: Would anyone like to start us off?

[9:51] Student8 UTexas: Leaders relate to the diverse in the populace to begin.

[9:51] Student5 UTexas: Well in my homes for the dying and the poor we accept anyone

[9:51] Student5 UTexas: we even have homes all over the world

[9:51] You: Please elaborate on that Columb, you have the floor.

[9:51] You: Teresa, you will be able to follow up with your personal anecdotes.

[9:52] Student5 UTexas: well thank you

[9:52] Student8 UTexas: In my time, diversity consisted of Vikings and Pagans mostly

[9:52] Student8 UTexas: And they were hard to lead.

[9:52] You: Alrighty, can we say that both are interdependent?

[9:52] Student5 UTexas: in your dealing did you deal with both groups?

[9:53] Student8 UTexas: O, yes

[9:53] Student17 UTexas: So how did the diversity affect your experience?

[9:53] Student8 UTexas: The Vikings destroyed our monastery several times. I don't think I reached them

[9:54] Student17 UTexas: I believe in allowing my audiences to relate to many different kinds of characters, and through that we can all gain a greater understanding of each other.

[9:54] Student8 UTexas: We converted thousands of Pagans, though

[9:54] Student5 UTexas: but did you attempt to?

[9:54] You: Excellent, Billy.

[9:54] Student8 UTexas: Yes.

[9:54] Student17 UTexas: How does converting Pagans and Vikings to Christianity allow for diversity?

[9:54] You: Must a leader reach out to several groups to be a true leader? Or can they still lead within a smaller group or themselves?

[9:54] Student8 UTexas: That was one of the most important aspects of my following and our collective leadership

[9:55] Student5 UTexas: i believe that even if a person affects only one person they are a leader

[9:55] Student8 UTexas: I thikn a leader always has people closer to them and a greater following may insue

[9:55] Student17 UTexas: WEll personally, I only reached a certain audience in my time, but I alowed them to relate to many other inds of people.

[9:56] You: Excellent Point, Columb

[9:56] Student5 UTexas: so literature was your vehicle for change

[9:56] Student8 UTexas: Thank you

[9:56] Student5 UTexas: william

[9:56] You: Have you anything to say on this subject, Goethe?

[9:56] Student17 UTexas: And through our works, people in history can also be affected by our deeds

[9:56] Student17 UTexas: Yes, literature

[9:56] Student12 UTexas: This is a difficult topic for me to discuss, because diversity did not play a significant part in my role as a leader

[9:56] You: Understandable.

[9:57] Student5 UTexas: i do not know to what exten diversity played in my doings

[9:57] Student12 UTexas: I suppose you could say that many different people were influenced by the example I set, and that it can be followed by anyone, regardless.

[9:57] You: So what can we say about diversity in leadership? Is it necessary?

[9:57] Student17 UTexas: I would say so

[9:57] Student5 UTexas: i just made a point to give care to every person i come into cobtact with

[9:57] Student17 UTexas: A person withou an understanding of his fellow man is not living a full life

[9:57] Student12 UTexas: I think a truly effective leader would need to be able to inspire a variety of different people

[9:58] Student17 UTexas: Yes

[9:58] Student5 UTexas: is effectiveness all realitve though

[9:58] You: We can say that it is a terrible thing to exclude others intentionally. But what if our followers are not diverse?

[9:58] Student8 UTexas: yes, but I feel jipped because I didn't have a big group available to lead

[9:58] Student17 UTexas: Mine weren't.

[9:58] You: Can the leader be blamed?

[9:58] Student5 UTexas: no

[9:58] Student5 UTexas: it is admirable that you are even putting yourself out there

[9:59] You: So everyone agrees that diversity plays an integral part in being a leader. However, given specific circumstances, we are not to be penalized if we do not diversify.

[9:59] Student5 UTexas: yes

[9:59] Student17 UTexas: I aagree to that

[9:59] Student8 UTexas: Definitely.

[9:59] Student5 UTexas: a leader should be able to reconize the needs of different groups and act accordingly

[9:59] You: Indeed

[10:00] Student12 UTexas: Yes, and a truly great leader would be able to inspire many people, regardless of the differences among them

[10:00] You: Good day, people.

[10:00] Student17 UTexas: Fare thee well

[10:00] Student8 UTexas: Godbless

[10:00] Student5 UTexas shouts: Blessings to you all!

[10:00] Student12 UTexas: Tchues

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[9:48] Student7 UTexas is Offline

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[9:48] You: who ar ewe waiting on

[9:48] Student15 UTexas: Nobody.

[9:48] You: ok let us begin

[9:48] You: I am Oprah Winfrey

[9:49] Student4 UTexas: i am Gaudi

[9:49] Student15 UTexas: David J. Matthews

[9:49] Student9 UTexas: Ayaan Hirsi Ali

[9:49] You: Hello everyone

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[9:49] You: very nice to meet you

[9:49] You: this is a great group for our next questin

[9:49] Student9 UTexas: So is there any sort of relationship between leadership and diversity?

[9:49] You: seeing we are quite a diverse group

[9:50] You: of coruse

[9:50] Student15 UTexas: This topic confuses me a lil bit.

[9:50] Student4 UTexas: i honestly dont know how large of a role diversity has played in my life

[9:50] Student15 UTexas: Maybe its just a bigger stretch than the previous ones.

[9:50] Student9 UTexas: Agreed. What is the relationship and why should it matter?

[9:50] Student4 UTexas: I guess artistic diversity?

[9:50] Student9 UTexas: How are leadership and diversity related?

[9:50] Student15 UTexas: I guess diversity makes you experience more

[9:50] Student4 UTexas: It depends on how you define diversity

[9:51] Student15 UTexas: more experiences make you mre capable of leadership

[9:51] You: it allows you o connect to the experiences of differnt people

[9:51] Student9 UTexas: Or if a leader strives to create diversity, that expands the sense of equality

[9:51] Student15 UTexas: yeah yeah

[9:51] Student15 UTexas: and serve them better

[9:51] Student4 UTexas: diversity in terms of experience? or exposure?

[9:51] Student9 UTexas: Able to connect with more people through sympathetic imagination

[9:52] You: i would guess both

[9:52] Student15 UTexas: I got all sorts of memories from SA that made diversity just seem natural feelin. Thats why it flows so good with me.

[9:52] You: open mindedness is key to leadership

[9:52] Student9 UTexas: But yes, I don't understand the question--should a leader strive to promote diversity?

[9:52] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, you don't want a table full of the same people with the same ideas.

[9:52] Student4 UTexas: must a leader be DIVERSE?

[9:52] Student15 UTexas: IF you a president or somethin

[9:52] Student15 UTexas: diverse in expereinces?

[9:52] You: well let's discuss the impact of a dicverse lader

[9:52] You: *diverse leader

[9:53] Student9 UTexas: how can a person be diverse?

[9:53] Student9 UTexas: they can have diverse ieas

[9:53] You: by their experiences

[9:53] Student4 UTexas: who is an example of a diverse leader?

[9:53] Student9 UTexas: A person can have diverse experiences and ideas but they themselves cannot be diverse

[9:53] Student15 UTexas: Oprah, man.

[9:53] Student9 UTexas: that doesn't make sense

[9:53] Student15 UTexas: She sees all sorts of people on that show.

[9:53] You: well i come from a difficult backround- a black girl who was raped many time

[9:53] You: i had many obstacles to overcome

[9:53] Student15 UTexas: Yeah she seen all sorts of folks

[9:53] Student4 UTexas: do "obstacles" make you diverse?

[9:54] You: i can connect to many types of people

[9:54] Student9 UTexas: Well I've traveled all over Africa and the midde east only to end up in the US

[9:54] You: poor, black, minorties, abused

[9:54] Student9 UTexas: does that make me diverse because of my experiences in other places?

[9:54] You: i believe they do

[9:54] Student15 UTexas: They all contribue

[9:54] You: obstacles give you different ersepctives of life

[9:54] You: so you can use your own experiences to connect to the pain of others

[9:54] Student15 UTexas: To make you better understand your own

[9:54] Student4 UTexas: havig experiences makes sense, but i dont think "diversity" is necessarily an attribute for a hero

[9:55] Student15 UTexas: Leadership emerges from the great ability to lead yourself. to lead through example.

[9:55] Student15 UTexas: so naturally making yourself a better leader makes you a better leader to other people.

[9:55] Student4 UTexas: and diversity...

[9:55] You: let's define diversity in terms of having a diverse life through experiences

[9:55] Student9 UTexas: But don't difference experiences help you connect with a more diverse group of peopple?

[9:55] Student9 UTexas: Ok I like that definition

[9:55] You: yes

[9:55] Student4 UTexas: depends on if you externalized or internalize your experiences

[9:55] You: many people let their difficut past defeat htem

[9:56] You: but a true leader uses the diversity they had to overcome to inspire others

[9:56] Student15 UTexas: i aggree with gaudi

[9:56] Student9 UTexas: so does that mean a leader can't have lived in one place their whole lives?

[9:56] You: as a black woman, earning my own talkshow was extremely challenging

[9:56] Student9 UTexas: what does that mean for impoverished or oppressed people?

[9:56] You: it is not the physical place

[9:56] Student4 UTexas: no i dont think so

[9:56] Student15 UTexas: nah, it just makes them that much more experienced and capable to lead.

[9:56] You: but the mental places

[9:57] You: how your mind has been put to test in different experiences

[9:57] Student4 UTexas: if a person is completely isolated for their entire lives, could they one day become a hero?

[9:57] Student4 UTexas: or leader?

[9:57] You: will they know how to lead?

[9:57] Student15 UTexas: and what do you take away from those experiences for future recollection?

[9:57] Student4 UTexas: you can't make a case study of leaders and how they have achieved their status

[9:58] You: well from my own experiences, i have used to physical and mental abuses i have suffered to help women facing the same sitatutions now

[9:58] Student9 UTexas: so diver

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9:48] Student14 UTexas: My name is Shobha

[9:48] You: Perhaps we should go and name ourselves, since all are present. I am Malcolm X

[9:48] Student14 UTexas: Nice to meet you Malcolm

[9:48] You: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[9:48] Student18 UTexas: I am Ellen DeGeneres

[9:48] Student1 UTexas: Diplo aka Wes Gully

[9:48] Student14 UTexas: I have read about your work

[9:49] Student18 UTexas: And apparently I am so enlightened right now i am levitating

[9:49] Student14 UTexas: hahaha

[9:49] Student14 UTexas: wow ellen

[9:49] Student14 UTexas: By the way, huge fan!

[9:49] Student6 UTexas: i am bll gates

[9:49] Student1 UTexas: Man, Ellens on a gangsta tip!

[9:49] Student18 UTexas: Hi bill. I hate you

[9:49] Student14 UTexas: I like your dance at the beginning of the show

[9:49] Student4 UTexas is Offline

[9:49] Student6 UTexas: founder and chairman of MS

[9:49] Student4 UTexas is Online

[9:49] Student18 UTexas: My computer froze this morninng

[9:49] Student1 UTexas: Bill is always falunting his ish

[9:49] Student14 UTexas: Bill, nice to meet you

[9:49] You: Very well, now that we are acquainted, let us begin our discussion

[9:49] Student14 UTexas: i own your stock

[9:49] Student6 UTexas: you have a mac ellenb

[9:50] Student18 UTexas: But seriously. FIX IT!

[9:50] Student1 UTexas: Bills always tryin talk about a computer

[9:50] You: What is the relationship between leadership and diversity

[9:50] Student1 UTexas: You gott love everyone

[9:50] Student1 UTexas: Every kind

[9:50] You: Does a leader srtive for diversity?

[9:50] Student6 UTexas: yes,

[9:50] Student6 UTexas: i do wrk in africa and in the US

[9:50] Student18 UTexas: I would say. A effective leader must accept diversity. and a virtuous leader must encourage it

[9:50] Student1 UTexas: I chill in thrid world countires

[9:50] Student1 UTexas: They're the realest

[9:51] Student6 UTexas: giving everyone a chance at humnaity

[9:51] Student14 UTexas: A leader must ebrace diversity to be successful

[9:51] Student6 UTexas: i provide scholarships to people to go tcollege

[9:51] Student18 UTexas: Like that joke i made about the entertainment industry at the oscars last night

[9:51] You: i agree, ellen

[9:51] Student18 UTexas: about if there werent jews and gays there wouldnt be an industry

[9:51] Student1 UTexas: Just gotta be there for errrbody

[9:51] Student6 UTexas: and provide vaccines to those in africa

[9:51] Student14 UTexas: Diplo you talk oddly

[9:51] Student1 UTexas: They need some vaccines up over there

[9:52] Student1 UTexas: Send more

[9:52] You: So what happens when a leader tries to deny diversity, or take it away?

[9:52] Student1 UTexas: That's wack

[9:52] Student14 UTexas: Like Hitler

[9:52] Student6 UTexas: millions of people die eah year from preventable disease

[9:52] Student1 UTexas: Hitlers on some wask ish

[9:52] Student14 UTexas: Seems like the main example today

[9:52] Student6 UTexas: because they don't get vaccinated

[9:52] Student18 UTexas: ya

[9:52] Student6 UTexas: so, i provide people with vaccines

[9:52] Student18 UTexas: every conversati0on has had it

[9:52] Student6 UTexas: last year, i vaccinated 800,000 people

[9:52] Student1 UTexas: Send more vaccines in there

[9:52] You: is that denial of diversity or negligence?

[9:52] Student14 UTexas: Anytime that you fight against diversity, I feel that your cause will die and your leadership will fade

[9:53] You: or the inability to be socially inacceptible

[9:53] You: excuse me socially resposible

[9:53] Student14 UTexas: because eventually somebody who embraces diversity will be more powerful than you

[9:53] Student1 UTexas: How can you hate on people and be real?

[9:53] You: how so?

[9:53] Student18 UTexas: that is what was so difficult about hosting the oscars! creating material that appeals to so many people all over the world and from all walks of life

[9:53] Student14 UTexas: Diplo what do you mean

[9:53] Student6 UTexas: i am not greedy

[9:54] Student1 UTexas: Thats on some shady ish right there

[9:54] Student14 UTexas: haha

[9:54] Student6 UTexas: or try not to come off as greedy

[9:54] Student1 UTexas: Bill, I'm getting a blue screen on my laptop

[9:54] You: diversity does not require that we apeal to all, or does it?

[9:54] Student6 UTexas: i have made money through providing software

[9:54] Student6 UTexas: to people who wnat it

[9:54] Student1 UTexas: Monopolizing some computer jawns

[9:54] Student6 UTexas: well, i am stepping down from daily operations at microsoft

[9:55] Student18 UTexas: and can pay for it

[9:55] Student6 UTexas: to work full time with my charity

[9:55] You: what does this have to do with diversity?

[9:55] Student18 UTexas: what does this have to do with diversity

[9:55] Student14 UTexas: Diversity does not require that we appeal to all, it just means that we have to understand that we are all connected regardless of ethnicity or race and that when one group of people need help the others must accept it and should try to help

[9:55] Student1 UTexas: You gotta be real with all types of people

[9:55] Student1 UTexas: Be with em

[9:55] Student6 UTexas: the idea that we connect with everyone

[9:55] Student14 UTexas: exactly

[9:55] You: and ow does this connect to leadership

[9:55] You: why does a leader have to accept diversity?

[9:55] Student6 UTexas: in the idea of compassion, we help people outside of our own comforts

[9:56] Student6 UTexas: like ellen reaching out to everyone

[9:56] Student18 UTexas: I like it Dip!

[9:56] Student14 UTexas: As Bill probably knows, diversity is the most powerful tool of the human race- it promotes the best ideas to come out

[9:56] Student18 UTexas: True.

[9:56] Student14 UTexas: so a good leader thus should embrace it

[9:56] You: but diversity is not about reaching out to others

[9:56] Student6 UTexas: yes. diversity is imporatant in any setting

[9:56] You: its about uniting others of different kinds under one ideal

[9:56] Student1 UTexas: They are some next level ish over there that nobody here ever heard of

[9:56] Student14 UTexas: it is about acceptance of others

[9:56] Student18 UTexas: no, but a leader accepting of divesity will end up reaching out to others

[9:57] Student6 UTexas: diversity of ideas, diversity of people, diversity of leaders, diversity of passions

[9:57] Student18 UTexas: others=people of all types of diversity

[9:57] You: that may be true, but do the others thus associate with eachother indirectly thrugh the leader

[9:58] Student1 UTexas: You gotta associate in eal life

[9:58] Student6 UTexas: yes, diversity is imporant

[9:58] Student1 UTexas: Not through others

[9:58] Student14 UTexas: i think to become a powerful leader you should embrace diversity and appeal to all kinds of people- then your following will be greater and your leadership will become more powerful

[9:58] Student1 UTexas: Follwing sonds wack

[9:58] Student6 UTexas: but i don't feel it has anything to do with just differnt enthnicits

[9:58] Student14 UTexas: and leadership often seems to be about power

[9:58] Student6 UTexas: fulfiling quotas isn't enough

[9:58] Student1 UTexas: Following sounds like a cult or something

[9:58] Student6 UTexas: i think using everyone's strenghts

[9:58] Student18 UTexas: of course not! different anything

[9:58] You: if a man that is impovershed in africa and a man impovershed in india recieve money from the same charitable foundation, are they connected to eachother?

[9:58] Student6 UTexas: fromt hheir differernt backgrounds is imporatnt

[9:58] Student14 UTexas: thats what leadership entails--a following

[9:58] Student6 UTexas: yes

[9:58] Student1 UTexas: Errrrbody is connected!

[9:59] Student18 UTexas: beliefs, race, gender, sexual orientation

[9:59] Student6 UTexas: yes, everyone has their own strenghts

[9:59] Student6 UTexas: look around us

[9:59] Student1 UTexas: No matter the labels, nawmean?

[9:59] You: how does this create diversity then?

[9:59] Student14 UTexas: all these different characteristics are to be included in diversity

[9:59] Student6 UTexas: we have malcom, ellen, shobha, and diple, and gates

[9:59] You: perhaps it is diversity in the mind of the leader, but not in the follower

[9:59] Student1 UTexas: That's DIPLO, mang

[9:59] Student18 UTexas: everyone has a different perspective-a different world view

[9:59] Student6 UTexas: i don't feel that it is our traits that simply make us diversie

[9:59] Student1 UTexas: You gotta be in the world to have a view, though

[9:59] Student18 UTexas: diversity is in the mind of everyone

[9:59] Student14 UTexas: it is our experiences

[9:59] Student6 UTexas: being rich, black, gay, indian, or whatever dones't do anything

[10:00] Student18 UTexas: who is not in the world

[10:00] Student14 UTexas: our experiences make us different

[10:00] Student6 UTexas: it is using and applying those expereinces

[10:00] Student1 UTexas: Peace out, mags

[10:00] Student14 UTexas: yes

[10:00] Student6 UTexas: in leadership

[10:00] Student18 UTexas: See ya

[10:00] Student14 UTexas: byee everyone nice to meet you all

[10:00] You: very well, thank you for this excellent conversation, my brothers and sisters

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9:49] Student7 UTexas: Hi, all, I am kenneth peters, a youh director

[9:49] Student7 UTexas: *youth

[9:49] Student4 UTexas is Offline

[9:49] Student11 UTexas: Welcome Kenneth

[9:49] Student4 UTexas is Online

[9:49] You: Well Hello everyone I am Joe Giardina, a husband, a ranfather, father, and hardwokring Catholic man

[9:49] Student11 UTexas: Hi Joe, good to meet you.

[9:49] You: you as well

[9:50] Student11 UTexas: So now that everyones acquanted, shall we begin?

[9:50] You: yes, what is the topic of our discussion today?

[9:50] Student11 UTexas: What is the relationship between leadership and diversity?

[9:50] Student7 UTexas: well, we can see just among us that here are leaders of all kinds

[9:51] You: Being from an older generation, I am not as good with diversity as my daughter or grandchildren

[9:51] Student11 UTexas: of course, a leader is not defined by his own culture

[9:51] Student10 UTexas: if we were to introduce ourselves objectively, then

[9:51] Student10 UTexas: by appearance and role

[9:51] Student11 UTexas: does this detract from your leadership?

[9:51] You: no, that is no in the description of a leaer what so ever

[9:51] Student10 UTexas: like the way Joe introducted himself

[9:51] Student10 UTexas: *introduced

[9:51] Student10 UTexas: should we try that?

[9:52] Student11 UTexas: by defining ourselves to others?

[9:52] Student10 UTexas: essentially

[9:52] Student7 UTexas: well, i know that my ethnicity does not even enter my mind as part of how i would define myself

[9:52] You: I woud say diversity and leadersip are in no way connecter...who you chose to follow and to look up to is your own personalopinion and shoudl not be based on raace religion or gendr

[9:52] Student11 UTexas: but by defining ourselves are we not boxing ourselves in?

53] Student10 UTexas: one doesn't judge them by race/religion/gender

[9:53] Student7 UTexas: well, i see frank's point, but i think that the different roles we play help us in our missions/leadership goals

[9:53] You: Religion may in some ways define leadership becasue if the beleifs, but besides that i see no connnection

[9:53] Student10 UTexas: therefore they are bound to all be different

[9:53] Student11 UTexas: welcome professor

[9:53] Professor UTexas: Hello. Only connect.

[9:53] Student10 UTexas: the prose and the passion?

[9:54] Student7 UTexas: thank you for those words of wisdom professor

[9:54] Student11 UTexas: but in a spiritual sense, the leader must embrace all sentient creatures. this is a trait of all religions

[9:54] Student10 UTexas: "must"?

[9:54] Student10 UTexas: or the ideal leader, at least

[9:54] You: Yes, this is true, but leadership and herioc traits are not all based on religion

[9:54] Student11 UTexas: religion may help guide a leader

[9:54] Student11 UTexas: should rather than must

[9:54] Student7 UTexas: a person can yes, an dhe may be a leader within his religion

[9:55] Student7 UTexas: for example, a priest, or something like that

[9:55] Student10 UTexas: or a youth minister?

[9:55] You: there are many tyesof leaders - made up ones, real life, close fiends and family, and people that you yourself will neve even meet

[9:55] Student7 UTexas: ihaha, yes

[9:55] Student10 UTexas: well, Joe introduced himself as a Catholic man

[9:55] Student10 UTexas: does that make an impact?

[9:55] Student11 UTexas: but they must do more than that, they must love the unloved, help the broken, aid the suffering. they do not reject those who their religion condemns

[9:56] You: They muct help and do good, but i do not think to that extreme

[9:56] Student7 UTexas: joe can be a leader in any of the ways he defines himself:

[9:56] Student7 UTexas: as a catholic man he can leadother people ino faith

[9:56] Student11 UTexas: but in defining does he not limit his ability to lead?

[9:56] Student10 UTexas: or let his faith guide himself persnally

[9:56] Student7 UTexas: as a grandfather he can lead his grandchildren in all sorts of things

[9:56] Student10 UTexas: *personally

[9:56] You: yes that is true, but my religion is not all that defines my

[9:56] Student7 UTexas: i think you have to adopt a role in order to be a leader

[9:56] Student11 UTexas: he should embrace his whole person, his unified spirit

[9:56] Student7 UTexas: now you can shift between roles

[9:56] Student7 UTexas: which is good, bcause then you can affect people and lead in many different areas

[9:56] Student10 UTexas: so our unified spirits are what make each of us different

[9:56] Student11 UTexas: exactly, a leader must be fluid

[9:57] Student7 UTexas: yes

[9:57] Student10 UTexas: not the elements that make up that unified spirit

[9:57] You: Between the roles of leader and follower?

[9:57] You: or what role are we talking about here?

[9:57] Student7 UTexas: in some ways everyone will be both leader and follower

[9:57] Student11 UTexas: they must learn to balance and to coexist

[9:57] Student7 UTexas: but to be a leader, you must be a leader of something, so you must adopt a role

[9:57] Student7 UTexas: rather than passively observing

[9:58] Student7 UTexas: leadership necessitates an action

[9:58] You: Although some aspects od diversity, such as religion play a part in SOME aspects of SOME leaders, I thik most leaders are defined by more internal thing

[9:58] Student11 UTexas: not necessarily, a leader can live by example--in a state of love he influences action

[9:58] Student10 UTexas: or perhaps leadership facilitates action

[9:58] You: like compassion, love and helpfuness...good morals and whatnot

[9:58] Student7 UTexas: it is the fluidity of roles, and the vast diversity of roles you can fill, that makes our world full of so many leaders

[9:58] You: LOVE.

[9:58] Student10 UTexas: you don't necessarily have to be DOING something to be a leader

[9:58] Student10 UTexas: but inspire others

[9:58] Student10 UTexas: those that you "lead"

[9:58] Student7 UTexas: ytir

[9:58] Student7 UTexas: *true

[9:58] Student11 UTexas: one must embrace the diversity of life, to see it as it is--unified and pure

[9:59] You: no only living your life...ad if it catches someones eyes in yor everyday actions, then you are a leader.

[9:59] Student11 UTexas: yes

[9:59] Student7 UTexas: and to be willing to lead others you must appreciate their diversty/individuality

[9:59] You: M granddaughter wrote a paper about me being her leader and i never had a clue i meant so much to her...it is in living our normal live that we can infuence others.

[9:59] Student10 UTexas: well, perhaps one doesn't even have to be willing to lead

[9:59] Student10 UTexas: but may inadverdantly lead others anyway

[9:59] You: i agree

[9:59] Student7 UTexas: hat is possible

[10:00] Student11 UTexas: they must know themselves, follow their own path, and in doing so inadvertently lead

[10:00] You: i think that leading by mistake is the most effective leading

[10:00] Student10 UTexas: I started by putting interesting postcards on my blog

[10:00] Student10 UTexas: and now have a following of tens of thousands

[10:00] Student10 UTexas: because of how they felt about it

[10:00] Student11 UTexas: you inspire

[10:00] Student10 UTexas: I had no idea such a small project would turn into something like this

[10:00] Student11 UTexas: thank you everyone, namaste

[10:00] You: Well it was nice to meet you all, have a great day

[10:00] Student10 UTexas: goodbye, everyone!

[10:00] Student7 UTexas: and you're showing through your project that even among diversity, we'r enot so different as we thought

[10:00] Student10 UTexas: exactly

[10:00] Student10 UTexas: we ARE all different

[10:01] Student18 UTexas:

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Subject: 4th Session - The Rug

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[10:01] Student2 UTexas: Hello everyone!

[10:02] Student4 UTexas: hola

[10:02] Student10 UTexas is Offline

[10:02] Student10 UTexas is Online

[10:02] Student2 UTexas: Who is student 16?

[10:02] Student16 UTexas: Hello again, Ellen.

[10:02] You: Let's start by saying your names

[10:02] Student4 UTexas: i think thats teddy

[10:02] You: I am Ellen

[10:02] Student16 UTexas: I am Theodore Roosevelt. See my big stick?

[10:02] Student4 UTexas: I am Gaudi

[10:02] Student8 UTexas is Offline

[10:02] Student2 UTexas: I am Joe Giardina

[10:02] You: So, how do you feel ledership is related to the past

[10:02] Student8 UTexas is Online

[10:02] Student2 UTexas: I am a father, husband, grandfather, and hardowrking Catholic man

[10:03] Student11 UTexas is Offline

[10:03] Student11 UTexas is Online

[10:03] Student16 UTexas: I believe that we generally see one's leadership after a certain time has passed.

[10:03] Student4 UTexas: i think history is important in general--we must learn from the past

[10:03] Student16 UTexas: We may not see it immediately, but it will surface eventually.

[10:03] Student10 UTexas: sorry everyone, my chat shut me out

[10:03] Student17 UTexas is Offline

[10:03] You: So leaders must learn from the past? to be effective or moral?

[10:03] Student17 UTexas is Online

[10:04] Student4 UTexas: to study the mistakes of the past and learn how to prevent them in the future

[10:04] Student16 UTexas: Yes.

[10:04] Student3 UTexas: fffffffff

[10:04] Student3 UTexas: a

[10:04] You: but there are obviously leaders who have not learned from the past

[10:04] Student4 UTexas: wait...there are 6 people here

[10:04] Student12 UTexas is Offline

[10:04] Student12 UTexas is Online

[10:05] Student16 UTexas: Anyone care for a cigar?

[10:05] Student4 UTexas: grandpa, are you asleep?

[10:05] You: I TOLD YOU I QUIT SMOKING!

[10:05] You: stop tempting me

[10:05] Student16 UTexas: Terribly sorry, Ellen.

[10:05] Student10 UTexas: Alright, Frank Warren here!

[10:05] Student10 UTexas: now that Malcolm X has vacated my seat

[10:05] You: but you dont know about cancer causing and such do you?

[10:05] Student4 UTexas: wait, who is studnet 18?

[10:05] Student16 UTexas: I'm as fit as a bull-moose.

[10:05] You: Ellen

[10:06] Student4 UTexas: ohh ok

[10:06] You: So the past should guide leaders?

[10:06] Student16 UTexas: It should serve as a reference

[10:06] Student4 UTexas: Joe is sleeping. heh heh

[10:06] You: OK

[10:06] Student10 UTexas: or leaders should learn from past mistakes

[10:06] Student2 UTexas: that is becsue i am a grandpa

[10:06] Student4 UTexas: everyone can learn from the past

[10:06] You: true

[10:06] Student4 UTexas: not just leaders

[10:06] Student16 UTexas: Indeed.

[10:07] Student10 UTexas: but then do leaders need to take it into account especially?

[10:07] Student2 UTexas: Leader should most definatley lear from past mistakes, but never regret and never dwell on them

[10:07] Student2 UTexas: simply live youe mistake and then let ot go and learn what you can from it

[10:07] Student2 UTexas: The past sould not effect the future of the present

[10:07] Student16 UTexas: What constitutes a leader is that they are strong. They should only reference the past and then choose their own path to take

[10:08] Student4 UTexas: I also think studying the past is important. for example, I had to study many architectual styles in order to come up with my own and find what was important to me

[10:08] You: Living lfe without regret is an important thing. So many, however, do not know that there is a difference between forgetting the past and remembering but without regrets

[10:08] Student2 UTexas: it is merely the story of your life, and yes is plays a role, but we should sttempt to minize the past in our daily lives

[10:08] Student10 UTexas: I think Gaudi is right

[10:08] You: Why?

[10:08] Student10 UTexas: the past can guide us and affect us

[10:08] You: our pasts teach us wwho we are

[10:08] Student10 UTexas: but not dictate what we do and how we act

[10:08] You: but they are a good reference

[10:08] Student16 UTexas: I concur, Warren.

[10:08] Student2 UTexas: Forgetting is orthless, moving on without any regrets is what makes a leader

[10:08] Student10 UTexas: if we always let go of the past as soon as it happened, who would we be?

[10:08] You: it is our past experiences which make us who we are

[10:08] Student10 UTexas: past mistakes need to be let go of

[10:09] Student10 UTexas: but the history is still important

[10:09] You: we learn from our past and the pasts of others

[10:09] Student2 UTexas: i dont mean forget that it happened, but letting go and in realizing that you cannot change it

[10:09] Student4 UTexas: but i do think we need to remember the oast

[10:09] Student4 UTexas: past*

[10:09] Student2 UTexas: and living in the present

[10:09] You: let go of but remembered

[10:09] Student10 UTexas: that's assuming it is always a mistake

[10:09] Student4 UTexas: even if it is painful

[10:09] Student10 UTexas: does the past always have to be either a mistake or a triumph?

[10:09] Student10 UTexas: it can't just be a learning experience?

[10:09] You: it simple is

[10:09] Student10 UTexas: because learning experiences stay with us

[10:09] Student2 UTexas: Even if the past is good, you cannot live in a glorious shadow of what you once were, you much conunie to live a good life in the rest

[10:09] Student4 UTexas: youcant let the past effect you in a negative way, you have to make sure it has a positive impact

[10:09] Student2 UTexas: *present

[10:10] Student16 UTexas: You take what you believe to be helpful from the past. You cannot let unnecessary emotions get in the way.

[10:10] Student10 UTexas: right

[10:10] Student10 UTexas: your past shapes you, but you get to decide where you want to go with it

[10:10] Student2 UTexas: How are we connection emotins to the past?

[10:10] You: there is no such ting as a useless emotion

[10:10] Student2 UTexas: uselss as n from the past?

[10:10] Student16 UTexas: I meant irrelevant, forgive me.

[10:11] Student2 UTexas: as in do not dweel in the emotions you once felt, becasue no you can change them and do soething new

[10:11] You: but it is emotiopns that cause compassion

[10:11] You: and emotions that drive our choices

[10:11] Student2 UTexas: yes, emotion that we feel right now today

[10:11] You: and our moral core

[10:11] Student10 UTexas: well, we keep saying "should" and "must" but leaders are still human

[10:11] Student10 UTexas: does one ever truly let go?

[10:11] Student2 UTexas: loving something or someone 20 years ago does not mae you compassionate

[10:11] Student4 UTexas: no...everything you do impacts your future

[10:11] You: you should never let go of the past. it is who we are. but you should not regret it

[10:11] You: that is the key

[10:11] Student2 UTexas: It is the emotions that we feel at the momoent that lead to today

[10:11] Student4 UTexas: ADIOS

[10:11] Student16 UTexas: GOOD DAY PEOPLE.

[10:12] Student2 UTexas: EVERYNE TO THE RUG!!!!!!!

[10:12] You: see ya

[10:12] Student16 UTexas: WEEEEE.

[10:12] Student10 UTexas: we're already here!

[10:12] Student4 UTexas: yeaaah we don't have to move

[10:12] Student2 UTexas: Oh hahaha

[10:12] Student2 UTexas: GREAT!

[10:12] Student4 UTexas: yeah grandpa's excited

[10:12] Student2 UTexas: haha...this doesnt happen often!

[10:12] Student15 UTexas is Offline

[10:12] Student2 UTexas: oprah get all up off me!

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[10:01] You: hello everyone

[10:01] Student8 UTexas: Hi Geothe I keep running into you!

[10:01] You: grab a seat

[10:02] Student10 UTexas is Offline

[10:02] Student10 UTexas is Online

[10:02] Student12 UTexas: Indeed St Colomba!

[10:02] Student8 UTexas is Offline

[10:02] You: greetings bump

[10:02] Professor UTexas: Hello. Be here now.

[10:02] Student8 UTexas is Online

[10:02] You: we are waiting on people right now

[10:03] You: goethe got kicked off

[10:03] Student11 UTexas is Offline

[10:03] You: where is oprah

[10:03] Student11 UTexas is Online

[10:03] You: there you are oprah

[10:03] You: get off the furniture oprah

[10:03] Student13 UTexas: sorry about that guys

[10:03] Student12 UTexas: Oprah, why is your face purple?

[10:03] Student13 UTexas: i like the make a dramataic entrance

[10:03] Student17 UTexas is Offline

[10:03] You: ok everyone, lets move closer

[10:03] Student17 UTexas is Online

[10:03] Student13 UTexas: it really isnt

[10:03] Student8 UTexas: Hello all. I was just teleported back to the past, but Here i am again, in this odd future

[10:03] Professor UTexas: Probably to reflect the purple prose she doles out in her book club.

[10:03] You: we're all friends.

[10:04] Student13 UTexas: Hello friends

[10:04] You: is gothe here yet?

[10:04] You: goethe

[10:04] You: jk

[10:04] You: oklets start

[10:04] You: our topic is leadership and history

[10:04] Student12 UTexas is Offline

[10:04] Student13 UTexas: wow leadership and histroy

[10:04] Student12 UTexas is Online

[10:05] Student13 UTexas: obviously many great leaders are historic leaders

[10:05] Student13 UTexas: they have changed the course of hstory in the world

[10:05] You: what is the role of both? is leaving a legacy important?

[10:05] Student8 UTexas: I have lots of experience with history. but I think we could bring hitler up again and how leadership cahnges with perception over time

[10:05] Student13 UTexas: it is essential

[10:05] Student13 UTexas: to insipre others

[10:06] Student13 UTexas: a true leader exists even after they themselves can't

[10:06] You: right, i think in our previous discussions, we've covered the idea of compassion and diversity

[10:06] Student12 UTexas: They continue to set an example and inspire others?

[10:06] You: giving that, can we disucss history in relation to good/moral leaders?

[10:06] You: ie. the dead leaders we respect- teddy, shakespeare, mother t,

[10:06] Student13 UTexas: a true leader seeks to not only be a leader during their lifetime but ensure that their work inspires others even after their death

[10:07] You: but how imporatnt is it that MY legacy is left

[10:07] You: MY foundation

[10:07] Student12 UTexas: I don't think that a leader has to spend all of their time worrying about leaving a legacy

[10:07] You: MY work

[10:07] You: being remembered

[10:07] Student13 UTexas: it is not a question of receiving recognition

[10:07] You: i think it is more imporatnt to leave the idea behind

[10:07] Student8 UTexas: that can be very difficult seein ghow priorities change greatly over time

[10:07] You: not recongization

[10:07] You: *recognition

[10:07] Student13 UTexas: but knowing that others will choose a path of righteousness because of their desire to emulate your actinos

[10:07] Student12 UTexas: What is important is what they do in their lifetime, and a true leader would be modest enough not to think always of the future

[10:07] Student8 UTexas: You may deserve great recognition in your time, but loose it later

[10:08] Student13 UTexas: i am not saying a leader must think of a future

[10:08] You: modesty is important, i feel

[10:08] Student13 UTexas: but a the mark of a true leader is one which is followed after their death as well

[10:08] You: it seems that many leaders get caught up in getting famous etc.

[10:08] Student12 UTexas: Yes, I agree completely

[10:08] You: being in the spot light

[10:08] Student8 UTexas: Very few people care about me now, and in my time I didn't have much respect because of anonimity, but I'm remembered

[10:08] Student13 UTexas: yes this is a sad truth

[10:08] Student12 UTexas: That's the point I was trying to make

[10:08] Student12 UTexas: A true leader is one who doesn't seek the spotlight

[10:09] You: many people want to have photo ops of them helping others

[10:09] Student12 UTexas: But rather whose actions are powerful enough to inspire others

[10:09] Student13 UTexas: we should not worry ourselves about whether we will be remembered

[10:09] You: but is that real? i don' think so

[10:09] Student12 UTexas: What do you mean, is that real?

[10:09] You: yes. leaving the idea is more imporant that leaving a name

[10:09] Student13 UTexas: it is ineivtable that when you are a leader you will be noticed and in the spoit light yes

[10:09] Student8 UTexas: yes that shows true dedication to an idea

[10:09] Student13 UTexas: but it is the MOTIVE of the leader that matters

[10:09] You: oh, i mean real lleadership?

[10:09] You: yes. the motive is vital

[10:10] You: so history and leadership

[10:10] Student8 UTexas: so in future years, others will see your motive more clearly

[10:10] You: we can attach a name to the person who founded the USA

[10:10] Student13 UTexas: perhaps

[10:10] You: the person who lead the bus boycott

[10:10] Student13 UTexas: they will be inspired is the point

[10:10] Student8 UTexas: The united states? what is that?

[10:10] You: the person who ohad a dream

[10:10] Student8 UTexas: bus?

[10:11] Student13 UTexas: it is the ACTION not the person itself that should be remember

[10:11] You: how vital is their idea or their own actions?

[10:11] Student8 UTexas: I remember actions more easily than names anyway

[10:11] Student12 UTexas: Yes, I agree, the actions are what are important

[10:11] Student13 UTexas: this is true

[10:11] Student13 UTexas: and this is how it should be

[10:11] You: so history tells us to continue down the path of good and compassion

[10:11] Student8 UTexas: Is that true for everyone?

[10:11] You: but knowing what the leader did and emulating them is imporant?

[10:11] Student13 UTexas: history also offers examples of strong leaders who were awful peopl

[10:11] Student13 UTexas: like Hitler

[10:11] You: ok good discussion.

[10:12] You: bye guys,

[10:12] Student13 UTexas: good bye

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[10:01] Student16 UTexas: BIG STICK, WEEEEE.

[10:01] You: welcome to this peaceful discussion

[10:01] Student15 UTexas: Agnes you fox.

[10:01] Student14 UTexas: Hi Mother Theresa

[10:01] You: i do not believe i understand

[10:02] You: Hello everyon

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[10:02] Student14 UTexas: My name is Shobha. I met you once in India. I just shook your hand for a moment.

[10:02] Student15 UTexas: Really?

[10:02] You: we are missing George Harrison

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[10:02] Student15 UTexas: Whoa he flew out of nowhere.

[10:02] You: Glad to meet you again my child

[10:02] Student14 UTexas: There he is.

[10:02] Student14 UTexas: Hello George

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[10:02] Student14 UTexas: I am a huge fan!!

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[10:03] Student7 UTexas: Dave, I love your music

[10:03] Student14 UTexas: I've seen you perform in New York.

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[10:03] Student7 UTexas: I've started a band of my own, and I listen to your work for inspiration

[10:03] Student15 UTexas: Thank you baby.

[10:03] Student7 UTexas: Amazing guitar work

[10:03] Student15 UTexas: Y'all too good to me.

[10:03] You: Ok children in this dicussion we are supposed to establish the relationship between leadership and history?

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[10:04] Student7 UTexas: Well, we definitely learn abou leadership and what it looks like from past leaders in history

[10:04] Student14 UTexas: Leaders who create a large following usually go down in history.

[10:04] Student7 UTexas: they set examples

[10:04] Student15 UTexas: and they learn from previous examples

[10:04] Student14 UTexas: But alot of times, this is for martyrs.

[10:04] Student11 UTexas: hello everyone, sorry for my tardiness.

[10:04] Student14 UTexas: Although i don't believe only martyrs should go down in history.

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[10:04] You: are noncompassionate leaders remembered more so than compassionate ones?

[10:04] Student7 UTexas: they wouldn't be very good leaders if they ignored the past

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[10:05] Student15 UTexas: or smart ones

[10:05] Student15 UTexas: hitler and russia, for example.

[10:05] Student15 UTexas: napoleon could have told him that was a piss poor idea.

[10:05] Student7 UTexas: wasn't compassion the topic of an earlier discussion?

[10:05] Student11 UTexas: we must learn from the past and cultivate our compassion

[10:05] Student14 UTexas: that's the difference between infamous and famours

[10:05] Student15 UTexas: sure was.

[10:05] Student14 UTexas: famous*

[10:05] You: enlightening

[10:05] Student11 UTexas: "the past does not exist--it is already in the past", so we should not dwell on it

[10:06] Student7 UTexas: that sounds an awful lot like 'hakunna mattata' to me

[10:06] Student7 UTexas: and simba eventually had to face the past anyway

[10:06] Student7 UTexas: you cannot just ignore i

[10:06] You: before each of yon begin your journey of leadesrhip did purposefully look to history?

[10:06] Student7 UTexas: *it

[10:06] Student15 UTexas: simba was a cool cat.

[10:06] Student11 UTexas: we must face our mistakes, but we should not let them define us

[10:06] Student14 UTexas: History is important in leadership

[10:06] Student15 UTexas: man, i was involved in history.

[10:06] Student14 UTexas: it serves as examples

[10:06] Student7 UTexas: i am constantly looking into history

[10:06] Student15 UTexas: apartheid is living history.

[10:06] Student14 UTexas: look at mlk and gandhi

[10:07] Student7 UTexas: as a youth director, christ is my inspiration, and i look to his example for answers and wisdom

[10:07] Student14 UTexas: MLK would not have such an example to follow if he had not looked into history

[10:07] Student15 UTexas: everyone looks back to earlier examples for inspration to lead.

[10:07] Student11 UTexas: i look to the vedas, to the leaders of the past, and use their spirits to guide me as well

[10:07] Student14 UTexas: History is essential to successful leadership

[10:07] Student15 UTexas: were constantly evolving into more capable, better informed leaders

[10:07] Student7 UTexas: and we build off of lessons learned in the past

[10:07] Student11 UTexas: we amass the knowledge of the past and build on it

[10:07] You: As with you Kenneth my inspiration is the love of Jesus Christ

[10:08] Student11 UTexas: we connect into the collective unconscious and make it relevant to the present

[10:08] You: indeed

[10:08] Student15 UTexas: We gotta find ourselves a means of guardian angel. from which we get our inspiration.

[10:08] Student14 UTexas: but i think it is bringing the ideas from our unconscious to the conscious that make truly effective leaders

[10:08] Student7 UTexas: a civil rights activist today fighting for gay rights would probably not have much of a following if he ignored the past and only fought for MALE gay rights

[10:08] Student14 UTexas: exactly

[10:08] Student7 UTexas: feminism happened, and we build from that

[10:08] You: interesting point

[10:08] Student14 UTexas: you have to look into the past to see what worked and what didnt

[10:09] Student15 UTexas: were evolving toward smarter leaders every one.

[10:09] Student15 UTexas: But we gotta constantly draw inspiration from others to keep us on our toes.

[10:09] Student7 UTexas: it's interesting how the collective unconscious and the idea of what's generally accepted as 'right' or 'moral' changes

[10:09] Student11 UTexas: but in by embracing pure compassion, which knows no time limits, we should have already known these truths

[10:09] You: so if the past is ignored are modern leaders doomed to failure or will the change of society help them find sucess?

[10:09] Student14 UTexas: maybe so. but we are not far froom the people of the last generatin who produced effective leaders

[10:09] Student15 UTexas: "somebody to wrap his wings around me, so i can fly"

[10:10] Student15 UTexas: we cant fly without our inspiration

[10:10] You: beautifully said Dave

[10:10] Student7 UTexas: rock on

[10:10] Student15 UTexas: is it you? in the green?

[10:10] Student11 UTexas: i think that history guides our actions, but by living a pure life we can lead by example

[10:10] Student14 UTexas: someone who completely ignores the past cant become a leader---bc even if his idea stems from a revolt of the past, he still must look to the past to create an antithetical view

[10:10] Student15 UTexas: history shapes the examples from which we derive all sorts of the present.

[10:11] Student14 UTexas: ideas are recycled and hten reformed

[10:11] Student14 UTexas: so history is key

[10:11] Student11 UTexas: we can be inspired by the past and learn from it, but we must delve into ourselves, face the present, to live the life a leader

[10:11] Student15 UTexas: Who was it that said the better informed we are of the past, the more capable we are of dealing with the present.

[10:11] Student15 UTexas: somebody said that.

[10:11] Student15 UTexas: it slips my mind.

[10:11] Student11 UTexas: churchill maybe?

[10:11] Student7 UTexas: perhaps

[10:11] Student14 UTexas: it is important to apply past example to the present

[10:11] Student14 UTexas: to be succesful

[10:11] Student15 UTexas: I think that might be. someone along those lines.

[10:11] Student7 UTexas: yes, lawyers have that down to a science

[10:11] Student15 UTexas: I trust George.

[10:11] Student14 UTexas: okay well nice to meet you all

[10:11] Student7 UTexas: goodbye all

[10:11] Student11 UTexas: namaste

[10:12] You: So it is safe to say that we all believe we must look to history or leaders are doomed to failure?

[10:12] Student15 UTexas: THANK YOU SECOND LIFE

[10:12] Student7 UTexas: yes

[10:12] Student15 UTexas: GOODNIGHT!

[10:12] You: goodbye children

[10:12] Student14 UTexas: agreed

[10:12] You: go in peace

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[10:01] Student2 UTexas: Hello everyone!

[10:02] Student4 UTexas: hola

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[10:02] Student2 UTexas: Who is student 16?

[10:02] Student16 UTexas: Hello again, Ellen.

[10:02] Student18 UTexas: Let's start by saying your names

[10:02] Student4 UTexas: i think thats teddy

[10:02] Student18 UTexas: I am Ellen

[10:02] Student16 UTexas: I am Theodore Roosevelt. See my big stick?

[10:02] Student4 UTexas: I am Gaudi

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[10:02] Student2 UTexas: I am Joe Giardina

[10:02] Student18 UTexas: So, how do you feel ledership is related to the past

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[10:02] Student2 UTexas: I am a father, husband, grandfather, and hardowrking Catholic man

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[10:03] Student16 UTexas: I believe that we generally see one's leadership after a certain time has passed.

[10:03] Student4 UTexas: i think history is important in general--we must learn from the past

[10:03] Student16 UTexas: We may not see it immediately, but it will surface eventually.

[10:03] Student10 UTexas: sorry everyone, my chat shut me out

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[10:03] Student18 UTexas: So leaders must learn from the past? to be effective or moral?

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[10:04] Student4 UTexas: to study the mistakes of the past and learn how to prevent them in the future

[10:04] Student16 UTexas: Yes.

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[10:04] Student18 UTexas: but there are obviously leaders who have not learned from the past

[10:04] Student9 UTexas: Ok now we can begin

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[10:05] Student9 UTexas: Must a leader be renound in history?

[10:05] Student9 UTexas: *renown

[10:05] Student17 UTexas: I think not

[10:05] Student1 UTexas: Yeah you gotta know what went on in the past

[10:05] You: No

[10:05] Student1 UTexas: I base my albumns off Southern Gothic literature jawns

[10:05] Student17 UTexas: A leader doesn't have to be famous in centuries to come to be a leader

[10:05] You: a Leader makes change for his people, whether or not he is remembered is irrelevent

[10:05] Student9 UTexas: WE're answering two different qestions here

[10:06] Student9 UTexas: 1) Does a leader have to go down in history

[10:06] Student1 UTexas: You gotta be on the history tip

[10:06] Student1 UTexas: Nah, we ain't goin down

[10:06] Student9 UTexas: 2)Should they be aware of the history of their cause

[10:06] Student1 UTexas: That's on some Young Joc ish

[10:06] Student1 UTexas: See me at the campfire, we ain't goin down

[10:06] Student17 UTexas: I'm afraid I do not understand this young fellow.

[10:07] You: i dont think a leader needs to go down in history

[10:07] Student1 UTexas: That's the hottness, do some research mang

[10:07] Student17 UTexas: A leader influences t hose around hi m

[10:07] Student9 UTexas: BUt does a leader need to be wordly enough to know the history of their fight?

[10:07] Student1 UTexas: Nah, you just gotta do what you do to the biggest extent

[10:07] You: now in that respect, i think he should

[10:07] Student17 UTexas: I'm afraid I don't understand that question

[10:07] Student1 UTexas: You gotta respect the past

[10:07] Student17 UTexas: Do you mean should he have a knowledge of history?

[10:08] Student1 UTexas: Yeah

[10:08] Student9 UTexas: Ok, well Diplo, sounds like you don't see any link between leadership and history

[10:08] Student17 UTexas: BEcause I do believe they should

[10:08] Student1 UTexas: \You gotta respect some old dudes

[10:08] Student1 UTexas: They were keeping real before we were born mang

[10:08] Student1 UTexas: legends

[10:08] You: an educated desicion over how one should act in a position of power can be made partially through history

[10:08] Student9 UTexas: I agree

[10:08] Student17 UTexas: Exactly

[10:08] Student1 UTexas: That's on some Machiavelli ish

[10:09] Student9 UTexas: One cannot just fight for the sake of fighitng; they must know for whom and why

[10:09] Student9 UTexas: which is directly linked to history

[10:09] You: when one has control over the life of another, he must be able to know what is sccessful snd what isnt in maintaining his respect

[10:09] Student1 UTexas: You gotta know the strugglw

[10:09] Student17 UTexas: I wrote about historical characters and used their actions to allow my audience to learn more about that

[10:09] Student1 UTexas: You gotta understand, but not let it own you

[10:09] You: Indeed, Shakespeare wrote many plays on historical figures

[10:10] Student1 UTexas: I connected with that Southern Crunk but brought it to some venzualen young'ns

[10:10] You: it was very inspiring to see how so many great figures fall under the pressures of greed

[10:10] Student1 UTexas: B. Johnson kept some historical accuracies in that mug

[10:10] Student17 UTexas: Yes

[10:10] Student17 UTexas: I think there are some strong lessons to be learned about leadershi from Histor

[10:10] Student9 UTexas: But if leaders are to set an example or a precedent, don't they necessarily go down in history?

[10:11] Student1 UTexas: Not always mang

[10:11] Student1 UTexas: People are some dummies

[10:11] Student17 UTexas: They don't have to

[10:11] Student1 UTexas: They be changing the pocket they rag hang from errrday

[10:11] You: I agree with my friends, here

[10:11] Student1 UTexas: They on some Apartheid jawns

[10:11] Student1 UTexas: Trying to wipe out some history

[10:11] Student1 UTexas: To mak themselvs look good

[10:12] Student9 UTexas: So a leader need not go down in history, but be aware of history

[10:12] Student17 UTexas: Well thank you gentlemen and lady for this conversation.

[10:12] Student1 UTexas: Yeah, own it

[10:12] You: Thank you for this conversation my brothers, may peace be with all of you

[10:12] Student1 UTexas: Keep it crunk, Ali

[10:12] Student2 UTexas: haha...this doesnt happen often!

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[10:12] Student2 UTexas: oprah get all up off me!

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[10:14] Student4 UTexas: is dave matthews bald?

[10:14] Student1 UTexas: Dave Amtthews is some wack ish

[10:14] Student4 UTexas: twru dat

[10:15] Student2 UTexas: DAVID MATTHEWS!!!!

[10:15] Student16 UTexas: WEEEEEE.

[10:15] Student2 UTexas: You are so cool

[10:15] Student18 UTexas: Oprah! I came out to you on my sitcom!

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[10:15] Student2 UTexas: are you listning to yourself on the ipod?

[10:15] Student4 UTexas: are we...done?

[10:15] Student10 UTexas: got yo' pods in?

[10:15] Student13 UTexas: group hug!!!!!!

[10:15] Student18 UTexas: STOP CUTTING ME

[10:15] Student2 UTexas: pod...grandpa do not know what a pod is

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[10:16] Student16 UTexas: someone play the Jurassic Park Themesong

[10:16] Student4 UTexas: we are clustered togheter like attle

[10:16] Student4 UTexas: *cattle

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